Author Topic: Assimilatory Alien War Debate  (Read 8419 times)

The aliens from CSAA! is what we really need to be worried about

Definitely the Tyranids

No contest, you guys are forgeted
No doubt about it. If it comes from the Warhammer universe, everything in the competition gets forgeted.

Jeanstealers.

I don't know man, but i'm going to say it's between the Tyranids and the Flood. The Zerg come close, but they're outclassed by the previous two. Headcrab (Zombies) and Xenomorphs would be the first to go. The Flood could consume pretty much anyone who comes there way. I don't know too much about Tyranids, but I know that once they're mentioned somewhere, they're always causing massive losses for some faction. Same goes for the Flood and Zerg, but definitely more so the Flood. The Zerg seem pretty limited when it comes to devouring systems as easily as the Flood and Tyranids do. Flood v. Zerg would be pretty interesting to watch, though. Oh and the thing would probably get raped by Necromorphs or something.

the Replicators from Stargate

The Thing absorbs pretty much anything it touches and is able to replicate it down to a T. Every individual cell of the thing is a thinking organism and all it takes is one cell to take over any size organism. The Thing can use it's hosts original body, or it can mold into any shape or size it needs to. In the move computer simulations show that the Earth would be destroyed in less than a month, less than a week even.

P sure The Thing would win.
« Last Edit: June 22, 2014, 09:31:36 AM by ZombiLoin »

i thought that the flood infection pretty much took over their victim's brains as well, so there would still be a brain to use.

Also, what about a headcrab managing to get a hold of the "control" spot?


gonna post sum stuff bout headcrabs at some point

Nuh The Flood infects the host by taking over its nervous system via the spinal cord in "upright" hosts. Pure forms have no brains, and infection/spore forms don't either. It's hive mind is also sentient in the Gravemind state, and is as intelligent as all it's consumed/assimilated bodies. It can be incredibly intelligent, and can eventually devour and entire galaxy before moving on to the next galaxy. In fact, it's extragalactic, it had originated outside our own galaxy before coming here. Meaning it could exist on other galaxies, even if it were "killed" in this one.
« Last Edit: June 22, 2014, 10:16:59 AM by ShadowsfeaR »

I would say the Flood would win.
As a fungal infection they require a single spore to trigger a massive outbreak, and can stay dormant for millenia.
They double up (or more) their forces in any successful combat, taking all dead as resources for new troops.
They retain a similar structure to the races they consume, allowing them to utilise the tools, vehicles and weaponry of those races.
They also harvest the minds of the fallen, scanning through all of their memories to gain vital information against the opponent.
They form a gravemind system which is able to use the mindpower of numerous fallen enemies to telepathically control each flood unit from a distance simultaneously, allowing for numerous strategic operations at the same time, utlising the information gained from their fallen enemies.
They're capable of interacting with Artificial Intelligence, corrupting it to it's own uses, with notable examples being Medicant Bias (which led to the fall of the Forerunners, an advanced galactic wide species), Penitant Tangent (an Monitor of Installation 05) and even Cortana (an advanced human Smart AI, who managed to resist due to her short period of capture, but would have eventually given way and given away details regarding Humanity).

They can form their own humanoid and bigger units without the need for a host body, given an adequate level of biomass, allowing for Pure Flood Forms to exist, including the large behemoth "tank" units, ranged units, and rapid scout units, all of which can transform into one another, with the tank form being capable of producing further Flood Infection Forms.

A Flood unit which is killed, but retains a mostly intact body, can be 'resurrected' by the introduction of an additional Flood Infection form.
The Flood Infection form is a rapid moving and small unit, which can be about a foot tall, and can jump at enemy units and burrow into their body (and maneuvre around armour) in order to find the spinal cord and cause infection and control of the host.
The Flood Infection form can be produced by Carrier Forms, a large but slow battlefield unit which approaches and explodes near enemies, causing damage and spreading Infection forms.
The Infection form can be produced from Pure Tank forms in the battlefield, to aid in combat.
The Infection form can be produced from the environment in large pods, which grow over a flood infected environment.

A flood infected environment produces a constant wave of flood infection and flood pure forms.
The infected environment is therefore extremely difficult to remove by land, due to it's ability to rapidly produce defensive troops.
The only adequate system for eradicating an infected environment is to use high-intensity plasma beams to burn away the infection. Such an action "glasses" the terrain, destroying all life and making it entirely infertile and incapable of supporting life. When a flood infection takes over an entire planet, only "glassing" the entire planet is an adequate method of removal, but will render the planet entirely unrecoverable by manual means.


The Floods downfall is it's inability to produce technology for itself.
Without the introduction of a technologically advanced species, which has space-faring vessels, it is incapable of leaving a planet to cause further infection.

The Flood also relies on food. Without additional plant/animal life the Flood is incapable of reproducing or sustaining it's population and units.
Fungal spores however can lie dormant for millenia in wait for the presence of food.

Not all species are capable of being infected. The Unggoy (grunt) race was immune to infection, as presumably were Kig-Yar (Jackals), Yanme'e (Drones) and Huragok (Engineer).
Those not infected however are still killed, and it is possible that their biomass is simply absorbed into other forms or the flood environment, rather than being revived whole and used as a troop.


The Flood might lack in ability to spread themselves by their own means, and can be starved, but they're voracious, highly intelligent, adaptable, patient, highly infectious and extremely dangerous.
They have nearly conquered the Milky Way once, but were only defeated on account of an extreme galactic Self Delete tactic (which didn't defeat the Flood personally, but starved them out), and nearly began a major resurgance in the galaxy at a later date (only defeated due to their small numbers at the time and a lucky turn of events allowing them to be trapped).
Even so, the Flood still exist as spores in containment on numerous Halo facilities, and are extragalactic in nature, meaning they could always enter the galaxy again. There is no knowing where they came from or how many galaxies they may already have conquered.


Faced against the Headcrab zombie the Flood would win.

Headcrabs attempting to attach to a Flood infected form would not work. The brain of a Flood unit is almost entirely destroyed when in use (following the retrieval of memories).
The flood do not necessarily maintain the head of an infected form, with them often being destroyed, or greatly disfigured, or even being internalised. Therefore a Headcrab is unlikely to be able to attach to a head.
The Flood do not exist entirely in the form of humanoids, with pure forms lacking any actual brain and having no humanoid head, graveminds being too large and infection forms being small and weak (The fangs of a headcrab would likely pop an infection form, rendering it useless) and lacking a head.

The Headcrab itself however could easily be infected by the flood due to it's fungal nature.
Headcrab zombies could further be infected and controlled, as the brain is not required, and infection forms can infect at any point on the body, aiming to then control the spinal cord.

Headcrab zombies are slow moving enemies with a weak head that use melee attacks.
The Fast Zombie is simply a faster slightly more agile version (but not as agile as Pure Forms or even some Infected Forms).
The Poison Zombie is an equally slow enemy whose only ability is it carrying poisonous headcrabs. Headcrabs as described above are useless against the Flood, and it is likely that poison would do no harm to a Flood form.

The Flood forces often have powerful melee attacks (as in Infected forms and Pure Tank forms), have explosive powers (as in Carrier forms) and have ranged attacks (as in Pure Ranged forms), as well as utlising the tools, weapons and vehicles of other species, particularly ranged weaponry, both conventional and energy, which could easily destroy the body of any Zombie or Headcrab, and destroy the Headcrab on a zombie and cauterize the zombies.

Against the Xenomorphs the fight would come down to actual combat.
Flood forms have numerous weaponry and vehicles, as well as a fairly effective maneuverability in many forms, including the ability to climb vertical surfaces and cling o walls and ceilings (stalker/ranged pure form), and can jump great heights and run at speed.

The xenomorph is a fast mover and has effective melee abilities, and it's blood would harm Flood forms.
However I believe the superior fire power and resilience of the Flood (who feel no pain) would just put them ahead.

Furthermore, the Xenomorph can not utilise the Flood as a source of reproduction, on account of the characteristics discussed above.
Flood forms lack a working head and often face and internal organs, so facehuggers would not work.
Even if they could, the infectious nature of the Flood would likely kill the baby xenomorph, or would result in some unusual xenomorph/Flood hybrid, ultimately controlled by the Flood.

The Flood could easily utlise the Xenomorph as a food source. Infections by flood spores would guarantee a successful infection.
Infection forms might have difficulty due to the way in which they pierce into the body, which would subject them to the acidic blood, but may be able to survive to reach the spinal cord.

Ultimately the Flood would out-consume the Xenomorphs.

I can't speak much for the Zerg, Tyranids, Necromorph or The Thing, but based on the above, I would still wager that the Flood would be best able to defeat them in combat, or consume them.

The Tyranids would stuff liquid hate all over the flood, are you handicaps serious? They are attacking the Milky Way in 40k lore because they over-ate the rest of of the local galactic cluster. Zombie fungus don't stand a loving snowball's chance in hell, and a flood environment would be a goddamn buffet of delicious biomass.

I'm going to expound further on how I think the Thing would win.

     The Thing has several similarities to several of the races shown in the OP. Like the Tyranids, they can absorb other creatures and use those creature's traits and abilities to further their own capabilities. However with the Tyranids it is not always instant and gaining positive traits by fighting between different hives is long and relatively inefficient. The Thing is able to replace and duplicates the organisms it comes into contact with at will, gaining their memories, their abilities, their appearance, and the biomass the organism has. From absorbing the knowledge it's host organism has, The Thing can perfectly mimic it's host's life, it's personality, their quirks and perks, and even their intelligence.
     The special thing about the Thing (no pun intended) is that it combines the intelligence of every host it comes into contact with. While you can confine it to size=more intelligence, it's much more complex than that. A human sized Thing descended from even just one cell of the original Thing is purported to have the combined intelligence of all of the prior organisms it absorbed, potentially making it the most intelligent being in the galaxy, if not the universe. The Thing was able to build a forgetin' extra-terrestrial spacecraft in an ice basement with a toolbox from the 50's and some scrap metal.
     It is worth nothing that the Thing is not just one large entity, it can disconnect and reconnect parts of each other at will. Each part of the Thing is it's own being that can infect others and rejoin with other things. Just one cell of the Thing can infect a whole other organism and rejoin with a larger mass if needed, contributing the intelligence, appearance, personality, memories, and abilities of the organisms it absorbed into the larger mass.
     It is also worth noting that the Thing in the movie is incredibly strong, and can shapeshift it's body into almost anything it needs to. When in, let's call it a combat form, it is able to overpower any human, and even just one off shoot of the Thing was able to turn it's own head into a massive set of jaws and murder a man. When Palmer-thing faked a heart attack, Doc tried to use the defibrillator on him, only to have Palmer-thing's chest open and murder/infect Doc. This shape shifting, combined with the Thing's ability to perfectly mimic any organism and it's incredibly intelligence, means that it is able to enter a disguise that few people can see through and even fewer can act upon without being derided as a murderer.

I don't know much about the thing other than it was in a movie but that sounds pretty legit. Did they even kill it in the movie or did it kill everyone?

Absolutely no question, the Tyrannids. It's not even fair to have a Warhammer 40k race in these types of threads, they're too good.
« Last Edit: June 22, 2014, 12:23:48 PM by Window-Licker »

I don't know much about the thing other than it was in a movie but that sounds pretty legit. Did they even kill it in the movie or did it kill everyone?
It's left ambiguous at the end of the movie.

Absolutely no question, the Tyrannids. It's not even fair to have a Warhammer 40K race in these types of threads, they're too good.
Here's the thing: Bungie creates a somewhat believable narrative, GW just goes for off the loving wall insanity with no clearly defined power levels aside from "absurd" (because when they try to give numbers they are just flat-out wrong). Remember: Space Marines can eat brains to steal memories.

Xenomorphs, Necromorphs, and Headcrabs do not stand a chance in hell against any other singular unit in that competition, are you serious? Headcrabs especially because they lack any special traits whatsoever and are poor combatants on their own merit. Headcrabs would be the first to go, if not then it was because they were deemed such a nonissue that everything else ignored them.
Xenomorphs and Necromorphs are also nonissues for the other four races/organisms presented. Xenomorphs, while deadly on their own merit, lack the numbers of Tyranids, Zerg, and Flood, as well as lack the adaptibility of the The Thing. Besides, Genestealers from the 'Nids are just as deadly, probably even more so. So Xenomorphs are loving out. Necromorphs are just reanimated corpses so that's just a bunch of slow, shambling biomass for everything else to consume. So those are out.
That leaves Flood, Tyranids, Zerg, and The Thing.
Now the most comparable of those four would be Tyranids and Zerg, and I'm not afraid to say that the Tyranids do literally everything the Zerg is capable of but better, faster, more efficiently, and with greater number. So Zerg are out. This leaves Tyranids, Flood, and The Thing. Due to the infectious nature of the Flood it could be argued that Tyranids and Flood would be on somewhat even ground here. However, assuming the Tyranids would be capable of ingesting Flood tissue without infection, the Flood are gonna get forgeted.
So this, therefore, leaves the Tyranids and The Thing. Judging by what Zombi is saying, The Thing is the most tangible threat against the Tyranids, however I don't believe he considered that if The Thing were to disguise itself as a Tyranid, it would be found and left away from the main force, just like Primal Tyranids, due to its lack of connection to the Hive Ship. And assuming it began to attack the Tyranids the Tyranids would fight right back. But considering what Zombi is saying I don't think the Tyranids would be able to kill it dead, and it would continue to be a bit of a thorn in the Tyranid's side for a very long time.
tl:dr Tyranids win, The Thing is still alive. Everything else gets to get shat on. That's my input anyways.

Also only like four of these are parasites what are you doing OP
« Last Edit: June 22, 2014, 12:25:34 PM by xxxxkill »

Here's the thing: Bungie creates a somewhat believable narrative, GW just goes for off the loving wall insanity with no clearly defined power levels aside from "absurd" (because when they try to give numbers they are just flat-out wrong). Remember: Space Marines can eat brains to steal memories.
and that's why they don't belong in these threads

in warhammer 40k, there are two types of races,
god races
and nearly god races