WAR MACHINES MEGATHREAD

[Harm94]

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Also I would like to give a forget you to Bosnia, Slovenia, and NATO for destroying Yugoslavia.

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[Clear Glass]

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you do not understand our full potential

Because that would totally hit a loving F-22.

[Ceist]

F-22 is a really good plane. still beats out the PAK FA but soon that'll be different. Give it 10-15 years.

90s era plane still being the best currently is something to brag about until it's beaten out. but personally prefer the YF-23. It's the worse compared to the F-22 and PAK FA when it comes to maneuverability. But its stealth beats out both by a fair margin. It's also a large plane and has a larger payload than the F-22.

a large part of the russian and chinese fifth-generation stealth fighters are due to the serbians selling F-117 Nighthawk debris to both of them after one of their SAM sites knocked one out of the sky. this only happened because the nighthawk was opening its bomb bay doors. at the time, it was 25 year old stealth technology. So this is pretty much how Russia and China got their headstart on stealth fighters.

also lets not forget the PAK FA is expensive (1/3 of an F-22), and they also plan to build a ton and export them to various countries such as India, China, Pakistan, etc. this isn't even including the fact the plane hasn't even gone into full production yet and still has some kinks to work out.

lets talk more about the J-20 too pls.

[Maxwell.]

wasn't the nighthawk a failure so they just built the f-22 instead?

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Thank you for your very stupid responses with no claims to back it up! Good job guys.

Burden of proof falls on you right now, if you're gonna ignore the need to cite your sources then I see little reason to continue this conversation.
And my entire loving point was that the F-22 was ugly, not that it was a bad aircraft.

lets talk more about the J-20 too pls.

J-20 a best

[Ceist]

wasn't the nighthawk a failure so they just built the f-22 instead?

no the nighthawk was a bomber aircraft, the f-22 was a air superiority craft. in fact there was a failed design to replace the nighthawk with a f-22 variant bombers.

[Harm94]

Anyway, yeah stealth is pretty useful. However it is not full proof. Just because you are harder to detect on radar doesn't mean you can still be targeted by infrared missiles.

Another problem with that newer and better radar systems are always being made. Good luck investing in research and spending money to make a new stealth fighter to replace the one that just got obsolete.

Another problem with jets like the f-35 and f-22 is that there weapon systems are built around the redesign of the hull. If one problem is encountered, it will be unfixable because you would have to entirely re-design the hull and you basically designing a new jet.

The F-35 is also a big joke. It was supposed to be a cheaper stealth plane with multi-role capability. Instead you end up with a jet slower than a f-16 with an internal weapons by. Oh and get this, they want to replace the A-10 with it by placing weapon pylons the wings which will defeat the purpose of its stealth role.

If you ask me, everyone is better off with Gen 4, 4.5 fighters, and drones. If they are going with 5th gen, they should axe the stealth thing. There hasn't been a major war in awhile, all the US and Russians do is pick on small nations that are too small or poor to defend themselves. Major wars are still possible, but they aren't as likely to happen as the small wars and counter insurgencies.

[Maxwell.]

the f-35b seems better than the harrier right now though, the harrier can't break the sound barrier and is 50 years old

[Badger]

40's planes are the real cool stuff, screw those f-22's

[Ceist]

the f-35b seems better than the harrier right now though, the harrier can't break the sound barrier and is 50 years old

if i remember correctly, the harrier doesn't use as much fuel as the F-35, and it's an actually functioning jump jet. the f-35 is still in development and uses a stuff ton of fuel.

lets not forget that planes can be designed a fourth generation plane and still carry some stealth with them. The F-18 Super hornet and the Eurofighter Typhoon are prime examples. They were designed as fourth generation fighters but ended up having a lower RCS than normal, making them a 4.5 generation-esque plane.

[Harm94]

Another turd that our government like to throw money at besides stealth technology is stuffty camouflage.

Doesn't blend in with anything except for the gravel on the base and grandma's couch. However the pattern is being retired and being replaced with a Scorpion W2:

however they are trying to apply the one size fits all scheme to camouflage. What works in the desert isn't going to work in a forrest/city/arctic. Another problem is that Army Combat Uniform is not all that durable as the old Battle Dress Unform and Desert Camouflage Uniform. All this started just because the USMC wanted to be unique and copy the Canadians failed cadpat pattern. Now every branch has their own stupid uniform and pattern.
Airforce:

Pretty useless for a branch that spends most of its time in the office and hangers. Who knew there were jungles in the office?

Navy:

Blends with the ship and the water. Kind of useless seeing as how the ship is the target and not you. Good luck being found after going overboard.

USMC:

Doesn't wander too far from the DCU and BDU, works out alright. Now people can tell the difference from a marine and a soldier, however this thing started the whole stupid concept.
Olive Drab is still pretty much the Univerisal camo.

[Agent Legit 22]

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Harm, war machines

[Mikoyan]

Infantry are part of a war machine

[Foxscotch]

Another turd that our government like to throw money at besides stealth technology is stuffty camouflage.

Doesn't blend in with anything except for the gravel on the base and grandma's couch.
however they are trying to apply the one size fits all scheme to camouflage. What works in the desert isn't going to work in a forrest/city/arctic. Another problem is that Army Combat Uniform is not all that durable as the old Battle Dress Unform and Desert Camouflage Uniform. All this started just because the USMC wanted to be unique and copy the Canadians failed cadpat pattern. Now every branch has their own stupid uniform and pattern.
Airforce:

Pretty useless for a branch that spends most of its time in the office and hangers. Who knew there were jungles in the office?
Navy:

Blends with the ship and the water. Kind of useless seeing as how the ship is the target and not you. Good luck being found after going overboard.

you know those are just uniforms, right? they're not for use in combat

[Agent Legit 22]

Infantry are part of a war machine

Yes but some of them don't even use their uniforms to operate war machines