Author Topic: Humans Need Not Apply  (Read 7873 times)

To conclude that a human equivalent AI is not possible,
let me bring into your attention the: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dartmouth_Conferences
The founding statement goes:

"that every aspect of learning or any other feature of intelligence can in principle be so precisely described that a machine can be made to simulate it."

A machine works in such way that it receives a particular input, which it had been programed to deal with and this results in a form of output.
Humans can create a machine to all of the inputs and their respective programmed outputs, that humans had ever received (inputs).

Just as much in the same way if un-modded torque has a brick placed in a brick, if forgets up, because it had not been programed to deal with such input. (may not be accurate)

So in the end humans are capable of creating human level AI, but if a new input is received the brain can handle it, sadly our AI friend cant.

Remember when Bill Gates said " "No one will need more than 637 kb of memory for a personal computer."

Boy was he wrong.

this is different. he wasnt saying its impossible to have more. he was just wrong about a statistic, and i disagree with his point. we need more and more every day for things like that

but it doesnt change the fact that the human brain is an organ that cannot be produced like a computer and we can never program something that replicates its behavior.

No, you. You have drawn a line that says "this is impossible".
when it clearly is

So in the end humans are capable of creating human level AI, but if a new input is received the brain can handle it, sadly our AI friend cant.
then thats not human AI because it cant handle a new input

It can handle any input that the humans programmed with it, if the humans programed it with all known inputs, i am saying that if a newer input is provided to the both (that never existed before) the AI is no longer a human level as the humans have to program it with that new input which it cant deal with, but that the brain can deal with.

EDIT: it would also be theoretically impossible to program a computer with all inputs.
« Last Edit: August 13, 2014, 03:31:19 PM by WhoStole MahCar »

Robots will not replace humans in the workforce.

The first real work I did as a laborer involved lifting buckets of grout/mortar and cinder blocks up scaffolding using a pulley (just a wheel, didn't make it any easier).  Toward the end the scaffolding got pretty high, and the elevator shaft we were building got to be over thirty feet tall.  Another laborer and I joked about how it would be so awesome if we had some machine to do the lifting for us.  Boss overheard and told us about a machine he saw another company using that did that.  Cost 10 grand.  You could keep me working for over 900 hours with that cash, and I can do a lot more than pull a rope.

Robots just cost a lot and can only do one or two things.  Humans can work for cheap (minimum wage hurts that) and be trained and retrained for just about anything and are so much cheaper and easier to replace.  Robots also have expensive updates and bug fixes where humans only have the one well tested and trusted model.

But if you really think that they will, invest heavily in some robotics companies.  Human unemployment will then be irrelevant to you because you'll be rich.
Robots are also stronger, can lift things faster, don't take days off or sick leave, and don't try and sue you when they get injured. They also don't form unions, have personal interests, families, or problems, and can be programed or modified to do a wide range of tasks by a small team of professionals.

Assuming their software has all of it's bugs fixed and it has been designed in such a way that minimizes risk and all of the conditions for successful operation are filled (well-maintained, with the necessary power, etc.) then nothing will go wrong. Human error is minimized because a machine will always run the same if you do the above.
« Last Edit: August 13, 2014, 03:41:11 PM by ZombiLoin »

EDIT: it would also be theoretically impossible to program a computer with all inputs.
http://youtu.be/r804UF8Ia4c Watch this please.

The only thing I like about this is how all those pseudo-intellectuals, artists, and liberal arts degree majors who think they belong to higher echelon of society will be brought down with us.

I'm pretttyyy sure that robotics won't be taking over all human jobs. I'm sure somebody who works in robotics or w/e would see how people with no jobs to get = they get no money which = no money spent in stores.

in other words, not happening, a bunch of people already scream and cry over this, and everyone will see it happening when it starts happening and put a stop, or at least slow production of the take-over of robotics.

You guys are absolutely silly:

Yes, you can replicate a mind and slap it onto a computer and call it an human-like AI. The only way I see this as possible is to use quantum computers and actually copy+paste a human mind into it.

The only way I see this as possible is to use quantum computers and actually copy+paste a human mind into it.
do you know how quantum computers work
i dont think you do

I still don't understand, if robots take over all jobs, where are humans going to get their money?
New jobs might open, but they might get replaced with bots as well.
The economy would suck.
I'm sorry if it said this in the video, I seem to have a hard time interpreting information from videos sometimes.

If we made a functional brain in a labratory would it be considered a computer or not?

If we made a functional brain in a labratory would it be considered a computer or not?
I believe it would depend upon whether or not it was primarily biological, but I don't think we'll be making replicas of the human brain any time soon.

If we made a functional brain in a labratory would it be considered a computer or not?
It'd be considered a computer unless it used human cells.

What if the cells made to use it werent manufactured in a human body.

What if the cells made to use it werent manufactured in a human body.
as long as it is using biological material instead of computer chips for actual processing it's still called a brain afaik.