Apple announces iPhone 6, iPhone 6 Plus and Apple Watch

[Nal]

Android is loving stuff. Laggy and not optimized for stuff. Also apps are not as nice as they are on iPhone. And on iPhone all the app icons are the same theme, instead of a ton of different ones.

Try another rom instead of giving up
also can i buy your g3

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[otto-san]

i hate the trend of sacrificing usability and flexibility for neatness and simplicity

it's possible to be elegant in design and not a brick past your basic supported mechanisms

if that's the future i don't wanna go back to kansas. people need to not treat their users like morons any more than they have to. it goes to the extent where 'scary' functionality is ignored entirely and that's not okay

[Maxxi]

Android is loving stuff. Laggy and not optimized for stuff. Also apps are not as nice as they are on iPhone. And on iPhone all the app icons are the same theme, instead of a ton of different ones.

didnt you use to say the same things about iphones before

[blueblur121]

i hate the trend of sacrificing usability and flexibility for neatness and simplicity

it's possible to be elegant in design and not a brick past your basic supported mechanisms

if that's the future i don't wanna go back to kansas. people need to not treat their users like morons any more than they have to. it goes to the extent where 'scary' functionality is ignored entirely and that's not okay

That is pretty much my mentality.

If they allowed more things on the appstore, then I would probably have no problem with iOS.

[otto-san]

i love the idea of making computers more usable for everyone, but there's a fine line and i think apple is really bad about missing it

[blueblur121]

i love the idea of making computers more usable for everyone, but there's a fine line and i think apple is really bad about missing it

The fact that we aren't even allowed to access the filesystem is just stupid. The option should always be there.

Right now we pretty much have two options for mobile operating systems.
1. Looks good and runs quickly, but is super limited and gives you very little overall control.
2. No restrictions, open source and gives you complete control, but is slow and looks like stuff.

And before someone says "I don't need control over my phone", shut up, the option should be there.

[Blockzillahead]

listen here. most stuff is blocked from usage for an average user because apple does not want you to break your phone then complain to them. they lock down on a lot of things that can easily forget up your phone. thats why jailbreaking is a warranty void. if it breaks, they dont want to be held liable because certain forgettards will go to great lengths to get a free new phone (see: iphone 4 explodes, guy wants iphone 5 replacement and gets angry when offered a new iphone 4 by apple)

[blueblur121]

Well then it should be accessible through a "developer mode" or something like they did in Mac OS X.
In Mac, you can install Unix tarballs, but you must enable that first so that Apple can't be blamed for you loving up.

[otto-san]

android is kinda guilty about doing it too but to a much lesser extent

at least in android it's an oversight and not a deliberate restriction though


if you argue that removing flexibility makes a device more user-friendly something is up
if there's a risk of things breaking you can 'lock' the functionality in a way that lets people that know what they're doing able to still use it easily
see: usb debugging mode on android

just don't obfuscate the 'unlocking' mechanism behind a million hurdles because you don't trust your users to not be idiots. your userbase is not your enemy. they are your livelihood and the entire reason your job exists.


i don't care about "rock A vs rock B vs rock C vs i'm better than all of you", i'm just generally upset about software design gosh dang it :(

[Blockzillahead]

well if that mode is going to exist, then once activated that should void the warranty. because again any idiot can get into the mode and do something stupid to break the phone then cry to apple for help

apple tried to make its os fool proof from idiots so it saves them the trouble of hearing complains. in order to do this youre going to have to lose a lot of customizability. you cant have both, pick one

[otto-san]

you can have both though (see: most any successful OS ever)

you don't have to void your warranty to access your computer's hard drive or use programs. you're trusted with your own common sense and if you mess up, you have the tools available to deal with it yourself and there are entire industries dedicated to helping you

the way i see it, a smartphone is nothing more than a pocket computer specifically designed for convenience (and being a phone second). i make no distinction between software practices on either platform because there is very little distinction between them other than their presentation to the end user.

[blueblur121]

well if that mode is going to exist, then once activated that should void the warranty. because again any idiot can get into the mode and do something stupid to break the phone then cry to apple for help

apple tried to make its os fool proof from idiots so it saves them the trouble of hearing complains. in order to do this youre going to have to lose a lot of customizability. you cant have both, pick one

I disagree with that. Apple should still replace hardware if the hardware gets damaged. But if you enable developer mode and forget up, then it's very easy to reinstall iOS from iTunes. It would be incredibly difficult to permanently brick an iPhone by modifying the filesystem.

you can have both though (see: most any successful OS ever)

you don't have to void your warranty to access your computer's hard drive or use programs. you're trusted with your own common sense and if you mess up, you have the tools available to deal with it yourself and there are entire industries dedicated to helping you

the way i see it, a smartphone is nothing more than a pocket computer specifically designed for convenience (and being a phone second). i make no distinction between software practices on either platform because there is very little distinction between them other than their presentation to the end user.

This so much.

[otto-san]

now if you tinker with hardware and mess it up that's all on you buddy lol

[blueblur121]

now if you tinker with hardware and mess it up that's all on you buddy lol

In that case, your warranty should still be able to take care of it. However, I doubt any of this will happen because apple.

However, someone could make something GNU/Linux based that is essentially what you said, a computer operating system made for a small touch screen and optimized for a wide variety of hardware.

If that is to happen, I think it should utilize the X window system and use a desktop environment for it that is touchscreen-friendly and good for small screens. Of course, applications wouldn't open in "windows", but instead be fullscreen apart from a top bar like in both iOS and Android.

[otto-san]

i don't think it's apple's responsibility to clean up after you personally

if you have a warranty it's to cover a broken object (e.g. water damage, snapping like a toothpick), not to give you a new phone if you modify it unnaturally and screw up