Death Penalty in the US- Yes or no? (Another discussion)

[Swat 3]

But when you are executed, you have no chance to repent or to live for a better purpose. Death is too easy for murderers. In all actuality, the death penalty only exists for the compensation of the victims' families.

Have you not read the fine print which states that a life sentence without parole gives no one a chance to be normal?
Death for murderers is arguable better for everyone; victims' families get closure, tax payers don't have to pay stuff loads of money for sociopaths, etc.

Besides, they get a longer time in hell for what they did :).

[Ad Bot]

[Headcrab Zombie]

tax payers don't have to pay stuff loads of money

Death penalty cases cost much more money than life without parole cases; because of the severity of taking a life, a forgetton more court time, and therefore money, is spent on them

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty

sociopaths

But what about non-sociopaths?

[Nonnel]

But what about non-sociopaths?

sorry to burst your bubble but non-sociopaths don't kill people

[Crispy_]

the death penalty is childish

[Headcrab Zombie]

sorry to burst your bubble but non-sociopaths don't kill people

Sure they do
Sociopathy is a specifically defined clinical psychology condition, not a synonym for murderer
Sociopaths are the people you see at court who go "YEH forget YOU I KILLED YOUR DAUGHTER FUK U I DONT REGRET NOTHING SHE DESERVED IT"
There are plenty of people who killed people on an impulse of anger, or even accident, who sincerely regret it
Sociopaths can not be rehabilited because they are mentally incapabable of feeling empathy; others can
There are also other mental disordered linked with violence, such as schizophrenia

[Harm94]

There is the murder in the first degree, second degree, and manslaughter(voluntary and involuntary). Usually you are looking at a first degree murder case for the death penalty. Your accidental killings or on impulses are manslaughter cases.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=00001-01000&file=187-199

189.  All murder which is perpetrated by means of a destructive
device or explosive, a weapon of mass destruction, knowing use of
ammunition designed primarily to penetrate metal or armor, poison,
lying in wait, torture, or by any other kind of willful, deliberate,
and premeditated killing, or which is committed in the perpetration
of, or attempt to perpetrate, arson, rape, carjacking, robbery,
burglary, mayhem, kidnapping, train wrecking, or any act punishable
under Section 206, 286, 288, 288a, or 289, or any murder which is
perpetrated by means of discharging a firearm from a motor vehicle,
intentionally at another person outside of the vehicle with the
intent to inflict death, is murder of the first degree. All other
kinds of murders are of the second degree.
   As used in this section, "destructive device" means any
destructive device as defined in Section 16460, and "explosive" means
any explosive as defined in Section 12000 of the Health and Safety
Code.
   As used in this section, "weapon of mass destruction" means any
item defined in Section 11417.
   To prove the killing was "deliberate and premeditated," it shall
not be necessary to prove the defendant maturely and meaningfully
reflected upon the gravity of his or her act.

189.5.  (a) Upon a trial for murder, the commission of the homicide
by the defendant being proved, the burden of proving circumstances of
mitigation, or that justify or excuse it, devolves upon the
defendant, unless the proof on the part of the prosecution tends to
show that the crime committed only amounts to manslaughter, or that
the defendant was justifiable or excusable.
   (b) Nothing in this section shall apply to or affect any
proceeding under Section 190.3 or 190.4.


90.  (a) Every person guilty of murder in the first degree shall be
punished by death, imprisonment in the state prison for life without
the possibility of parole, or imprisonment in the state prison for a
term of 25 years to life. The penalty to be applied shall be
determined as provided in Sections 190.1, 190.2, 190.3, 190.4, and
190.5.
   Except as provided in subdivision (b), (c), or (d), every person
guilty of murder in the second degree shall be punished by
imprisonment in the state prison for a term of 15 years to life.
   (b) Except as provided in subdivision (c), every person guilty of
murder in the second degree shall be punished by imprisonment in the
state prison for a term of 25 years to life if the victim was a peace
officer, as defined in subdivision (a) of Section 830.1, subdivision
(a), (b), or (c) of Section 830.2, subdivision (a) of Section
830.33, or Section 830.5, who was killed while engaged in the
performance of his or her duties, and the defendant knew, or
reasonably should have known, that the victim was a peace officer
engaged in the performance of his or her duties.
   (c) Every person guilty of murder in the second degree shall be
punished by imprisonment in the state prison for a term of life
without the possibility of parole if the victim was a peace officer,
as defined in subdivision (a) of Section 830.1, subdivision (a), (b),
or (c) of Section 830.2, subdivision (a) of Section 830.33, or
Section 830.5, who was killed while engaged in the performance of his
or her duties, and the defendant knew, or reasonably should have
known, that the victim was a peace officer engaged in the performance
of his or her duties, and any of the following facts has been
charged and found true:
   (1) The defendant specifically intended to kill the peace officer.
   (2) The defendant specifically intended to inflict great bodily
injury, as defined in Section 12022.7, on a peace officer.
   (3) The defendant personally used a dangerous or deadly weapon in
the commission of the offense, in violation of subdivision (b) of
Section 12022.
   (4) The defendant personally used a firearm in the commission of
the offense, in violation of Section 12022.5.
   (d) Every person guilty of murder in the second degree shall be
punished by imprisonment in the state prison for a term of 20 years
to life if the killing was perpetrated by means of shooting a firearm
from a motor vehicle, intentionally at another person outside of the
vehicle with the intent to inflict great bodily injury.
   (e) Article 2.5 (commencing with Section 2930) of Chapter 7 of
Title 1 of Part 3 shall not apply to reduce any minimum term of a
sentence imposed pursuant to this section. A person sentenced
pursuant to this section shall not be released on parole prior to
serving the minimum term of confinement prescribed by this section.

On manslaughter:

192.  Manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human being without
malice. It is of three kinds:
   (a) Voluntary--upon a sudden quarrel or heat of passion.
   (b) Involuntary--in the commission of an unlawful act, not
amounting to felony; or in the commission of a lawful act which might
produce death, in an unlawful manner, or without due caution and
circumspection. This subdivision shall not apply to acts committed in
the driving of a vehicle.
   (c) Vehicular--
   (1) Except as provided in subdivision (a) of Section 191.5,
driving a vehicle in the commission of an unlawful act, not amounting
to felony, and with gross negligence; or driving a vehicle in the
commission of a lawful act which might produce death, in an unlawful
manner, and with gross negligence.
   (2) Driving a vehicle in the commission of an unlawful act, not
amounting to felony, but without gross negligence; or driving a
vehicle in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death,
in an unlawful manner, but without gross negligence.
   (3) Driving a vehicle in connection with a violation of paragraph
(3) of subdivision (a) of Section 550, where the vehicular collision
or vehicular accident was knowingly caused for financial gain and
proximately resulted in the death of any person. This provision shall
not be construed to prevent prosecution of a defendant for the crime
of murder.
   This section shall not be construed as making any homicide in the
driving of a vehicle punishable that is not a proximate result of the
commission of an unlawful act, not amounting to felony, or of the
commission of a lawful act which might produce death, in an unlawful
manner.
   "Gross negligence," as used in this section, shall not be
construed as prohibiting or precluding a charge of murder under
Section 188 upon facts exhibiting wantonness and a conscious
disregard for life to support a finding of implied malice, or upon
facts showing malice, consistent with the holding of the California
Supreme Court in People v. Watson, 30 Cal. 3d 290.

192.5.  Vehicular manslaughter pursuant to subdivision (b) of
Section 191.5 and subdivision (c) of Section 192 is the unlawful
killing of a human being without malice aforethought, and includes:
   (a) Operating a vessel in violation of subdivision (b), (c), (d),
(e), or (f) of Section 655 of the Harbors and Navigation Code, and in
the commission of an unlawful act, not amounting to felony, and with
gross negligence; or operating a vessel in violation of subdivision
(b), (c), (d), (e), or (f) of Section 655 of the Harbors and
Navigation Code, and in the commission of a lawful act that might
produce death, in an unlawful manner, and with gross negligence.
   (b) Operating a vessel in violation of subdivision (b), (c), (d),
(e), or (f) of Section 655 of the Harbors and Navigation Code, and in
the commission of an unlawful act, not amounting to felony, but
without gross negligence; or operating a vessel in violation of
subdivision (b), (c), (d), (e), or (f) of Section 655 of the Harbors
and Navigation Code, and in the commission of a lawful act that might
produce death, in an unlawful manner, but without gross negligence.
   (c) Operating a vessel in the commission of an unlawful act, not
amounting to a felony, and with gross negligence; or operating a
vessel in the commission of a lawful act that might produce death, in
an unlawful manner, and with gross negligence.
   (d) Operating a vessel in the commission of an unlawful act, not
amounting to a felony, but without gross negligence; or operating a
vessel in the commission of a lawful act that might produce death, in
an unlawful manner, but without gross negligence.
   (e) A person who flees the scene of the crime after committing a
violation of subdivision (a), (b), or (c), upon conviction, in
addition and consecutive to the punishment prescribed, shall be
punished by an additional term of imprisonment of five years in the
state prison. This additional term shall not be imposed unless the
allegation is charged in the accusatory pleading and admitted by the
defendant or found to be true by the trier of fact. The court shall
not strike a finding that brings a person within the provisions of
this subdivision or an allegation made pursuant to this subdivision.

193.  (a) Voluntary manslaughter is punishable by imprisonment in
the state prison for 3, 6, or 11 years.
   (b) Involuntary manslaughter is punishable by imprisonment
pursuant to subdivision (h) of Section 1170 for two, three, or four
years.
   (c) Vehicular manslaughter is punishable as follows:
   (1) A violation of paragraph (1) of subdivision (c) of Section 192
is punishable either by imprisonment in the county jail for not more
than one year or by imprisonment in the state prison for two, four,
or six years.
   (2) A violation of paragraph (2) of subdivision (c) of Section 192
is punishable by imprisonment in the county jail for not more than
one year.
   (3) A violation of paragraph (3) of subdivision (c) of Section 192
is punishable by imprisonment in the state prison for 4, 6, or 10
years.

193.5.  Manslaughter committed during the operation of a vessel is
punishable as follows:
   (a) A violation of subdivision (a) of Section 192.5 is punishable
by imprisonment in the state prison for 4, 6, or 10 years.
   (b) A violation of subdivision (b) of Section 192.5 is punishable
by imprisonment in a county jail for not more than one year or by
imprisonment pursuant to subdivision (h) of Section 1170 for 16
months or two or four years.
   (c) A violation of subdivision (c) of Section 192.5 is punishable
either by imprisonment in the county jail for not more than one year
or by imprisonment in the state prison for two, four, or six years.
   (d) A violation of subdivision (d) of Section 192.5 is punishable
by imprisonment in the county jail for not more than one year.

tl;dr capital punishment is reserved for the worst of worst people

[Menen]

Sure they do
Sociopathy is a specifically defined clinical psychology condition, not a synonym for murderer
Sociopaths are the people you see at court who go "YEH forget YOU I KILLED YOUR DAUGHTER FUK U I DONT REGRET NOTHING SHE DESERVED IT"
There are plenty of people who killed people on an impulse of anger, or even accident, who sincerely regret it
Sociopaths can not be rehabilited because they are mentally incapabable of feeling empathy; others can
There are also other mental disordered linked with violence, such as schizophrenia

people like this cannot lead better lives or ever change their behavior. They cant get better and its best to get the needle in their arm before they can hurt anyone else

[SeventhSandwich]

According to pro-death website it was about $86.09 for the lethal injection. Now to house a prisoner, according to something pulled from google, it costs 60,000 USD a year to feed, cloth, and house a prisoner for a year.

That's misleading because 99.999% of the costs of an execution are legality related. Naturally they want to be very, very, very sure that someone is guilty of a crime before they execute them because it's kind of an irreversible punishment.

[Harm94]

That's misleading because 99.999% of the costs of an execution are legality related. Naturally they want to be very, very, very sure that someone is guilty of a crime before they execute them because it's kind of an irreversible punishment.

Which is why death isn't something the prosecution throws out all the time.

[Headcrab Zombie]

people like this cannot lead better lives or ever change their behavior. They cant get better and its best to get the needle in their arm before they can hurt anyone else

People like what? I mentioned two groups of people
One group (actual sociopaths) can't, others can:
http://www.thecrimereport.org/archive/low-recidivism-rate-reported-for-paroled-ny-murderers/
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/once-a-criminal-always-a-criminal

[zombekillz]

Listen to headcrab man, lots of people who have murdered don't even serve life sentences, so when they get out the first thing they do is rarely murder.

[devildogelite]

I found that really stupid, They say try to lessen teen pregnancies, yet the age of consent is 16... 'murica

Who says that? I've never heard that be a reason for age of consent. Age of consent laws also don't really apply to people in the same age range. The reason for them is to protect people from being taken advantage of.

[Harm94]

Listen to headcrab man, lots of people who have murdered don't even serve life sentences, so when they get out the first thing they do is rarely murder.

Because those are the people who intended to kill just one or a few people for something like a cheating wife, a best friend who slept with your girlfriend, during a domestic dispute, a neighbor you despise, etc. The people on death row are those are the ones are really forgeted up. Like Scott Peterson who was a narcissist, Richard Ramirez(rapist, serial killer, necrophiliac, Satanist, and Charles Manson who was nutty cultist that conspired to have a bunch of people get killed by his followers.

[Menen]

People like what? I mentioned two groups of people
One group (actual sociopaths) can't, others can:
http://www.thecrimereport.org/archive/low-recidivism-rate-reported-for-paroled-ny-murderers/
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/once-a-criminal-always-a-criminal

psychopaths, sociopaths, serial killers

the lot.