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Who killed Mr. Boddy in the study and with what?: the great debate topic™®
Harm94:
Uncessary risk? By your logic knives and tools fall under that category as well because they can cause self harm if operated improperly or operated by an inexperienced user.
--- Quote from: Foxscotch on April 17, 2015, 12:21:50 PM ---well, that wouldn't be a problem if the other people didn't have them either
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There are plently of countries that have armed police forced despite the fact that they are banned. Even in mainland Europe patrol officers carry a weapon.
--- Quote from: Foxscotch on April 17, 2015, 12:23:55 PM ---they shouldn't exist at all though
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blame the Chinese for inventing gunpowder and the Turks introducing firearms into Europe then.
Rally:
--- Quote from: Foxscotch on April 17, 2015, 12:21:50 PM ---well, that wouldn't be a problem if the other people didn't have them either
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The conditions in which a SWAT operative uses a shotgun and how any other gun owner in the world uses a shotgun are unfathomably different. Police and SWAT, despite intensive training, are still more prone to a firearm mishap than other situations because the situations in which Police and SWAT use guns are often in intensive, stressful and rapid circumstances which they are obligated to be involved in. It's a dangerous line of work, this stuff happens. Steel mill workers also end up getting injured from time to time despite intensive training because it's their job to constantly be in dangerous situations.
Whereas a gun range, you're just pointing the loving thing in a straight line in a room that's engineered to be safe. Whereas in a home defense situation, the vast majority of the time the gun owner doesn't even need to let off a shot. Whereas in a hunting situation, the pace is slow and people take time and effort to look out for each other. Whereas in a recreational situation, I mean, do I have to keep going?
IkeTheGeneric:
--- Quote from: Foxscotch on April 17, 2015, 12:23:55 PM ---they shouldn't exist at all though
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I don't think you realize just how important the creation of firearms are.
Ipquarx:
--- Quote from: Foxscotch on April 17, 2015, 12:23:55 PM ---they shouldn't exist at all though
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they'd exist in the hands of criminals whether or not they were ever legalized in the first place, and it was inevitable that they would exist, even if the big companies never made the technology someone else would have
Foxscotch:
--- Quote from: IkeTheGeneric on April 17, 2015, 12:28:39 PM ---I don't think you realize just how important the creation of firearms are.
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we wouldn't have needed them without war, and without war we'd be a lot better off
--- Quote from: Rally on April 17, 2015, 12:27:37 PM ---The conditions in which a SWAT operative uses a shotgun and how any other gun owner in the world uses a shotgun are unfathomably different.
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you're just as likely to trip and fall as a police officer
--- Quote from: Ipquarx on April 17, 2015, 12:30:16 PM ---they'd exist in the hands of criminals whether or not they were ever legalized in the first place, and it was inevitable that they would exist, even if the big companies never made the technology someone else would have
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so, because a few criminals would have a crude version of something similar to modern guns anyway, we might as well just give them all easy access to very effective ones?