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Who killed Mr. Boddy in the study and with what?: the great debate topic™®
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--- Quote from: Foxscotch on April 17, 2015, 12:34:01 PM ---we wouldn't have needed them without war, and without war we'd be a lot better off
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In an ideal world, we could stop using guns without fear of being curbstomped by a terrorist/dictator/etc, sure. However, this world is far from ideal and there will always be people who will attempt to wage it one way or another.
So tell me, sir diplomat, how do you plan to accomplish such a feat as world peace, where absolutely nobody will willingly resort to violence, ever?
otto-san:
--- Quote from: Foxscotch on April 17, 2015, 12:37:07 PM ---don't really need guns to kill domesticated cows
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ya wel u need gun to kill BIG MAN GAME IN THE WILD
4rl tho if you're talkin in a non-modern sense guns are p important for hunting too. obv that doesn't apply nearly as much in pretty much any situation in a developed country now but if you're making the claim that guns have only ever been for war then i think u gota consider that..
Foxscotch:
--- Quote from: IkeTheGeneric on April 17, 2015, 12:38:18 PM ---Too bad, reality's a factor in a debate.
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not really. I'm talking about what I want, not what I think we should do right now
I think it would be unreasonable to try to get rid of them all at this point. probably impossible. but that doesn't mean that I want them to exist
--- Quote from: Harm94 on April 17, 2015, 12:38:50 PM ---Without gunpowder powder you wouldn't have rockets, without rockets we would have never been into space.
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yeah I'm sure the only reason we ever would have created explosives is for guns
(p.s. nope)
--- Quote from: otto-san on April 17, 2015, 12:40:15 PM ---4rl tho if you're talkin in a non-modern sense guns are p important for hunting too
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they would be, but hunting itself isn't necessary. by the time guns were made we'd had domesticated animals for plenty of time. hunting wild ones is unnecessary
IkeTheGeneric:
--- Quote from: Foxscotch on April 17, 2015, 12:45:14 PM ---not really. I'm talking about what I want, not what I think we should do right now
I think it would be unreasonable to try to get rid of them all at this point. probably impossible. but that doesn't mean that I want them to exist
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What you want holds no place in a debate. We're debating about whether firearms should be illegal or not, and you really haven't provided a good enough reason for them to be illegal.
Rally:
--- Quote from: Foxscotch on April 17, 2015, 12:45:14 PM ---not really. I'm talking about what I want, not what I think we should do right now
I think it would be unreasonable to try to get rid of them all at this point. probably impossible. but that doesn't mean that I want them to exist
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You want to live in a perfect world where there's no violence and no need for guns? Yeah, you and the rest of us. You wouldn't even need gun control in a world like that though because you could trust everyone with a gun.
You can't trust people, whether they're owning guns or taking them away. Everyone has a motive for everything they do, and they're all aware that we don't live in a perfect world. You can't make political decisions without a reality factor. The fact that your political opinions are aligned to a fantasy world and not the real one is pretty scary.
--- Quote from: Foxscotch on April 17, 2015, 12:45:14 PM ---they would be, but hunting itself isn't necessary. by the time guns were made we'd had domesticated animals for plenty of time. hunting wild ones is unnecessary
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Fursuits aren't necessary either. Some people have recreational interests that differ from yours.