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| Nonnel:
i understand morality is subjective and arbitrary, but obviously there's some basic concept of good and bad, otherwise what are laws based off of? robbery is against the law because it's wrong to take other peoples' property. without morality, it could just as well be legal. --- Quote from: Insert Name Here² on January 05, 2017, 05:04:23 PM ---It prevents them from killing or severely harming any more people while incarcerated, and it also removes the risk of them escaping to go out and kill again. --- End quote --- serial killers are kept in maximum security prison cells for this very reason |
| IkeTheGeneric:
--- Quote from: Perry on January 05, 2017, 04:59:25 PM ---But then what qualifies someone to say who deserves to die? The issue is that every person has a different opinion on what warrants life and death, and leaving it up to a jury of 12 people and a judge is not enough. --- End quote --- Correction: You don't think it's enough. I think if they've made their way through the entire justice system and are still cannot be rehabilitated in any way shape or form, there's really no point into keeping them in prison for the rest of their life. It's a waste of our and their time. --- Quote from: Perry on January 05, 2017, 04:59:25 PM ---Either way, if you don't give a forget about morals and are willing to kill a criminal, you are no different than the criminal in question. --- End quote --- I'd say if the act doesn't land me in prison for life, then I am definitely different from the criminal in question. Either way, there's a pretty loving big difference in advocating for the death penalty and actually wanting to straight up kill criminals. What are you smoking to believe otherwise? |
| Red Spy:
--- Quote from: Perry on January 05, 2017, 05:02:58 PM ---What makes them worthy of death, --- End quote --- Probably if they've had a past criminal record and how they murdered the person Not every murder should be deserving of the death penalty though --- Quote from: Perry on January 05, 2017, 05:02:58 PM ---what makes you worthy of life? --- End quote --- Is this just a clever way to tell me to kill myself --- Quote from: Perry on January 05, 2017, 05:02:58 PM ---Humans cannot be the judge of another human's life. --- End quote --- Should we have killed John Wayne Gacy? Or Ted Bundy? |
| Insert Name Here²:
--- Quote from: Nonnel on January 05, 2017, 05:05:28 PM ---serial killers are kept in maximum security prison cells for this very reason --- End quote --- There's still that risk of them being able to get out or harm someone when the chance comes. Plus there is the cost of supporting them for 20+ years highly outnumbers the cost to put them down, which they'd be deserving after killing multiple people and then some. If it was just a single murder or rape, then there is no need for death penalty. The death penalty is only served to the worst mass killers and terrorists, which in my opinion are perfectly fine the way they are. Death penalties are not given to single murder cases ( looking at you Path, stop exaggerating stuff to prove a false point. ) |
| Perry:
--- Quote from: IkeTheGeneric on January 05, 2017, 05:07:14 PM ---Correction: You don't think it's enough. I think if they've made their way through the entire justice system and are still cannot be rehabilitated in any way shape or form, there's really no point into keeping them in prison for the rest of their life. It's a waste of our and their time. I'd say if the act doesn't land me in prison for life, then I am definitely different from the criminal in question. Either way, there's a pretty loving big difference in advocating for the death penalty and actually wanting to straight up kill criminals. What are you smoking to believe otherwise? --- End quote --- The issue i'm trying to address is that judging someone's life as a human is impossible. Humans are flawed by nature and are influenced by personal bias, beliefs, emotions, etc. Those will always get in the way of the final decision, and results in an unfair or unjust taking of someone's life. Advocating for the death penalty is different from directly carrying out the execution, sure, but as a supporter you are directly leading towards their death. You may not be the one who injects them with lethal poison, but you and other people are allowing it to happen. That's the issue; you can't dehumanize a human under any circumstances. You can't advocate for murder and be against murder. |
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