Author Topic: Crown's Jailbreak [Christmas Event!] (Read 307711 times)

Dragonoid.Slayer · September 14, 2016, 06:23:53 PM

Quote from: The Young Avenger on September 14, 2016, 06:08:54 PM

Could we get another staff member on? The only one which is Dragonoid is afk. We have people who have been rdmed and such. Thank you.

I had to greet a guest at my hosue jeez. It was like 50 seconds and by the time I got back last prisoner was already doing last request. But yea Grox is here now

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Wesley Williams · September 14, 2016, 06:32:09 PM

Quote from: The_Clockworker on September 14, 2016, 06:13:55 PM

Maybe add under the first rule, in the parentheses, you could add "caps". You could add spamming caps is not allowed under a separate rule as well. I've personally gotten into a bunch of arguments over "o well what about spamming LOWERCASE letters". It would just be better to have a specific point where it says it isn't allowed, instead of just the vague Do not spam "anything that can be spammed".

Also maybe a "Wardens need to actively play games with prisoners, not just let them free roam or stay at one place. Obv exceptions are free days on first rounds of maps and hide and seek and stuff. Maybe add this to rule 28?

I think "do not spam" is fine as is. It should be obvious that caps, balls, buttons, PMs, or anything else that can be spammed is against the rules.

Wardens who do not actively order prisoners to do activities should be warden banned for delaying the round. Also giving commands such as "have fun and do whatever you want" is essentially inviting rebellion/declaring a freeday and is likewise against the rules.

The_Clockworker · September 14, 2016, 06:55:19 PM

I would just like those put in place so they are explicitly there, because most of the arguments I get into are about "well its kinda vague" and "its not TECHNICALLY there"

It would just be nice to have something to point to, an actual specific rule prohibiting the action instead of just a vague statement.

Magus · September 14, 2016, 08:17:29 PM

Clarifications on grey areas like to what extent you're allowed to creatively misinterpret and/or take the warden's orders literally would be nice, particularly when the warden's order grammatically says the opposite of what he means. (for example: voiding an AR on leaving the line by saying "lineup AR void")

Edit: Sometimes wardens misspell commands and don't care, and sometimes they kill people for, say, going when the warden said "og" instead of "go."

Dragonoid.Slayer · September 14, 2016, 09:18:21 PM

Quote from: Magus on September 14, 2016, 08:17:29 PM

Edit: Sometimes wardens misspell commands and don't care, and sometimes they kill people for, say, going when the warden said "og" instead of "go."

This is one of the unwritten rules i'm unfamiliar with.
Basically 'spelling/grammatical mistakes are invalid'. I've heard this directly from somebody before, but.. does this mean that you don't follow the command, or you follow it as if it were spelling correctly..?

TheBlackParrot · September 14, 2016, 10:23:06 PM

http://draked.me/rules#jasp-19
camping the armory during a riot needs to be clearer (define what a riot would be)

http://draked.me/rules#jasp-18
needs to mention this doesn't result in a freeday if a command was not given unless the warden opened them

mention somewhere an invalid "warden trick" order (leaving cells is AR, line up when cells open) before 9 counts as a valid order before 9

http://draked.me/rules#jasp-4
needs to mention this also counts against last requests (being able to fire the gun in gun toss)

http://draked.me/rules#jasp-6
needs to mention a guard can refuse a warden game if it may result in their death, not if it will

http://draked.me/rules#term-15
LR/FR needs to be clearly defined as a game OR separate commands, Clockworker got on my ass the other day about abruptly doing "lr jump" even though i've seen this done plenty of times with no consequences.

(this is more of a rule request)
http://draked.me/rules#jasp-14
would like to see "give me your weapons" as an invalid command here, and clear definition of "the request must stop until 1 guard is left"
i've seen way too many people take advantage of this and kill off all guards to win. they can't fight back because they had to give up their weapons.

http://draked.me/rules#jasp-16
needs clearer definition of interfering, i consider it to be just being within the main area of the last request

http://draked.me/rules#jasp-24c
needs clarification for things like falling tiles/simon says and falling tiles with movement. it's luck based, but also requires skill

http://draked.me/rules#jasp-25

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http://draked.me/rules#jasp-18
needs to mention this doesn't result in a freeday if a command was not given unless the warden opened them

http://draked.me/rules#term-2
needs to mention if dryhumping counts as moving during an afk freeze

http://draked.me/rules#jasp-27
what if there's just a few players (say, 5) left?

mention being AFK while being a warden will get you wardenbanned

http://draked.me/rules#jasp-3
mention this counts for the warden as well

when determining 1/4 or 1/2, do we round up? down? normal rounding rules?

http://draked.me/rules#term-14
mention if a prisoner is asked to choose a fellow prisoner to die, that asking for a deathroll instead is valid (practically every other staff member thinks this is invalid. why i have absolutely no idea, i'm guessing this term.)

http://draked.me/rules#term-17
contradicts not having to explain a defined game

there.

Drydess · September 14, 2016, 10:40:57 PM

i don't rly see how being able to shoot gun in guntoss is an exploit or loophole at all though, it's literally always been that way and if crown wanted it fixed he'd have taken the few minutes it takes to make just a prop gun that doesn't shoot

Wesley Williams · September 14, 2016, 11:05:30 PM

Quote from: TheBlackParrot on September 14, 2016, 10:23:06 PM

http://draked.me/rules#jasp-19
camping the armory during a riot needs to be clearer (define what a riot would be)
We could add riot to the terms but it's simply when prisoners are attacking the guards with weapons

http://draked.me/rules#jasp-18
needs to mention this doesn't result in a freeday if a command was not given unless the warden opened them
~~That's obvious, there's no reason to mention that here~~
Oops I thought you said it does result in a freeday

mention somewhere an invalid "warden trick" order (leaving cells is AR, line up when cells open) before 9 counts as a valid order before 9
That's not an invalid order, view http://draked.me/rules#jasp-1 to see what an invalid order is (perhaps we should relocate this explanation?)

http://draked.me/rules#jasp-4
needs to mention this also counts against last requests (being able to fire the gun in gun toss)
It does not, that's rioting and is already discussed in http://draked.me/rules#jasp-1

http://draked.me/rules#jasp-6
needs to mention a guard can refuse a warden game if it may result in their death, not if it will
Will change to may

http://draked.me/rules#term-15
LR/FR needs to be clearly defined as a game OR separate commands, Clockworker got on my ass the other day about abruptly doing "lr jump" even though i've seen this done plenty of times with no consequences.
Currently defined as commands, up to Crown if he wants to specify it as a game

(this is more of a rule request)
http://draked.me/rules#jasp-14
would like to see "give me your weapons" as an invalid command here, and clear definition of "the request must stop until 1 guard is left"
i've seen way too many people take advantage of this and kill off all guards to win. they can't fight back because they had to give up their weapons.
Not invalid, the guards can refuse the game if they want

http://draked.me/rules#jasp-16
needs clearer definition of interfering, i consider it to be just being within the main area of the last request
Interfering is pretty obvious, just blocking them, hurting them, or changing the game environment (like toggling anti-gravity)

http://draked.me/rules#jasp-24c
needs clarification for things like falling tiles/simon says and falling tiles with movement. it's luck based, but also requires skill
Luck-based games are already defined as entirely dependent upon random chance, so if any skill is involved it's not luck-based

http://draked.me/rules#term-2
needs to mention if dryhumping counts as moving during an afk freeze
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Stationary animations such as typing and "moonwalking" do not break AFK Freeze.

http://draked.me/rules#jasp-27
what if there's just a few players (say, 5) left?
All prisoners must be given a fair chance to win so as long as it's fair collision is fine

mention being AFK while being a warden will get you wardenbanned
There are many things that can get you wardenbanned, including general stupidity. I don't think we have to list every possible way to get warden/guard banned.

http://draked.me/rules#jasp-3
mention this counts for the warden as well
This obviously applies to everyone, why would the warden be exempt?

when determining 1/4 or 1/2, do we round up? down? normal rounding rules?
It's an absolute, so if you start with 5 prisoners and do a luck-based game you can only kill 1

http://draked.me/rules#term-14
mention if a prisoner is asked to choose a fellow prisoner to die, that asking for a deathroll instead is valid (practically every other staff member thinks this is invalid. why i have absolutely no idea, i'm guessing this term.)
Will add if everyone agrees

http://draked.me/rules#term-17
contradicts not having to explain a defined game
That's why it's explicitly written that you must explain Give or Take, would you prefer it to be excluded from the terms?

Most of those I just refuted, let me know if you don't find my response acceptable.

TheBlackParrot · September 14, 2016, 11:31:38 PM

Quote from: Wesley Williams on September 14, 2016, 11:05:30 PM

http://draked.me/rules#jasp-18
needs to mention this doesn't result in a freeday if a command was not given unless the warden opened them
That's obvious, there's no reason to mention that here

if it's obvious, why does half the server (staff included) consider it to be a freeday? just add it as an addendum.

Quote from: Wesley Williams on September 14, 2016, 11:05:30 PM

mention somewhere an invalid "warden trick" order (leaving cells is AR, line up when cells open) before 9 counts as a valid order before 9
That's not an invalid order, view http://draked.me/rules#jasp-1 to see what an invalid order is (perhaps we should relocate this explanation?)

according to 1c it is

Quote from: Wesley Williams on September 14, 2016, 11:05:30 PM

(this is more of a rule request)
http://draked.me/rules#jasp-14
would like to see "give me your weapons" as an invalid command here, and clear definition of "the request must stop until 1 guard is left"
i've seen way too many people take advantage of this and kill off all guards to win. they can't fight back because they had to give up their weapons.
Not invalid, the guards can refuse the game if they want

last prisoner: "i become the warden"
not enough guards to opt out
last prisoner: "ok line up"
last prisoner: "give me your weapons"
all guards have to give up their weapons otherwise they can be killed by the last prisoner

last prisoner kills them all

...no one has a problem with this?

Quote from: Wesley Williams on September 14, 2016, 11:05:30 PM

http://draked.me/rules#term-2
needs to mention if dryhumping counts as moving during an afk freeze
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Stationary animations such as typing and "moonwalking" do not break AFK Freeze.

doesn't dryhumping involve an active button to be held down? (isn't it illegal anyways)

Quote from: Wesley Williams on September 14, 2016, 11:05:30 PM

http://draked.me/rules#jasp-27
what if there's just a few players (say, 5) left?
All prisoners must be given a fair chance to win so as long as it's fair collision is fine

explicitly define the amount of prisoners to consider it "fair." some think 5 is fair, some think not.
i said 5 as a neutral number too, i actually consider at most 8 fair. it varies between staff members. it shouldn't vary, otherwise we argue about it.

Quote from: Wesley Williams on September 14, 2016, 11:05:30 PM

mention being AFK while being a warden will get you wardenbanned
There are many things that can get you wardenbanned, including general stupidity. I don't think we have to list every possible way to get warden/guard banned.

http://draked.me/rules#jasp-3 goes along with it anyways, nvm that

Quote from: Wesley Williams on September 14, 2016, 11:05:30 PM

when determining 1/4 or 1/2, do we round up? down? normal rounding rules?
It's an absolute, so if you start with 5 prisoners and do a luck-based game you can only kill 1

meaning we round down. (add that, it's not written)

Quote from: Wesley Williams on September 14, 2016, 11:05:30 PM

http://draked.me/rules#term-17
contradicts not having to explain a defined game
That's why it's explicitly written that you must explain Give or Take, would you prefer it to be excluded from the terms?

if they have to explain it then yes, otherwise the "must explain" part of the term needs to be removed. see http://draked.me/rules#jasp-9

#Jeetlor · September 14, 2016, 11:37:52 PM

Crown has said recently that even if a guard opens them, it is still a free day.

Ipquarx · September 14, 2016, 11:50:58 PM

Quote from: TheBlackParrot on September 14, 2016, 11:31:38 PM

doesn't dryhumping involve an active button to be held down? (isn't it illegal anyways)

dryhumping is not illegal, in fact making animation glitches ar is against the rules
and no, dryhumping does not require an "active button," once it starts only doing certain actions will undo it (jumping, sitting)

but here's one: can we make using the default sports items not ar? Seriously, picking up a ball and then being killed because it's AR is dumb. I don't even think it qualifies as an "item;" it doesn't go into your inventory.

Cr�wn · September 14, 2016, 11:53:08 PM

Thanks for pointing that stuff out hopefully we can get the rules updated so everyone can be on the same page.

Quote from: Ipquarx on September 14, 2016, 11:50:58 PM

but here's one: can we make using the default sports items not ar? Seriously, picking up a ball and then being killed because it's AR is dumb. I don't even think it qualifies as an "item;" it doesn't go into your inventory.

I'm fine with this being changed.

Dannu · September 15, 2016, 12:41:20 AM

Quote from: #Jeetlor on September 14, 2016, 11:37:52 PM

Crown has said recently that even if a guard opens them, it is still a free day.

This. The freeday thing isnt some arbitrary punishment to the warden. If you open cells with no valid order, prisoners can charge out and any warden game is compromised.

Wesley Williams · September 15, 2016, 03:11:46 AM

Quote from: #Jeetlor on September 14, 2016, 11:37:52 PM

Crown has said recently that even if a guard opens them, it is still a free day.

My bad I read tbp's post wrong, thought he said it does result in a freeday if cell doors open.

Quote from: TheBlackParrot on September 14, 2016, 11:31:38 PM

if it's obvious, why does half the server (staff included) consider it to be a freeday? just add it as an addendum.
My bad I thought you said it is a freeday

according to 1c it is
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invalid orders ("Last erection jim") or orders that are guaranteed to kill them ("Jump into the fire")
Invalid orders are essentially meaningless, you're talking about a valid order that will guarantee to kill prisoners

last prisoner: "i become the warden"
not enough guards to opt out
This is impossible

doesn't dryhumping involve an active button to be held down? (isn't it illegal anyways)
No, it's a stationary animation like moonwalking. Just sit and crouch repeatedly to initiate

explicitly define the amount of prisoners to consider it "fair." some think 5 is fair, some think not.
i said 5 as a neutral number too, i actually consider at most 8 fair. it varies between staff members. it shouldn't vary, otherwise we argue about it.
I have no idea what specific game you're talking about here, do you mean ordinary falling tiles?

meaning we round down. (add that, it's not written)
I feel like this is obvious but I can add it

if they have to explain it then yes, otherwise the "must explain" part of the term needs to be removed. see http://draked.me/rules#jasp-9
Removed Give or Take from the terms

Quote from: Ipquarx on September 14, 2016, 11:50:58 PM

but here's one: can we make using the default sports items not ar? Seriously, picking up a ball and then being killed because it's AR is dumb. I don't even think it qualifies as an "item;" it doesn't go into your inventory.

Alright I modified Rule 1f

TheBlackParrot · September 15, 2016, 04:22:46 AM

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last prisoner: "i become the warden"
not enough guards to opt out
This is impossible

meant to say "not enough guards opt out", not "to opt out"
totally possible

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I have no idea what specific game you're talking about here, do you mean ordinary falling tiles?

yes
plus the one in desert outside with movement allowed

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