Author Topic: Game of Thrones - F U C K O L L Y  (Read 3847 times)

Honestly I tried to get into the show. It has clever writing and some of the best sets I've ever seen on TV. The problem is that almost everything they show is foreshadowing. Every few episodes there would be an awesome fight or plottwist and it would be awesome.But when does the actual action start?
You have to remember that Game of Thrones is first and foremost a Drama, not an Action Movie.
If the show were constrained down to 1-3 2/3 hour sittings, like a film series, then there would be a lot more action because that's what draws people in for movies. But Game of Thrones wouldn't fit a film. There is just far too much content to cover, so much so that even after 50 hours of footage, they are still not fully up to date with the books and are even missing entire characters, locations and storylines (for example, the entire Greyjoy story in the Iron Isles is missing, including about 3-4 important characters).

And all of the court drama and political machinations take centre stage, because they are realistically much more prevalent than any of the mythical creatures and magics in the series.
And as for battles, they too are realistic. There just could not be constant large-battle warfare taking place in every episode and season. Just consider the world of Game of Thrones. There is no single unified nation. Even when the Seven Kingdoms weren't fighting for the crown each of the Kingdoms kept to themselves.
None of these little kingdoms can maintain a standing army, something that is ready to fight whenever, like our modern nations can do today. That's part of the point. All these soldiers fighting are hoping to be at battle for a few months before they return home to gather the harvest and prepare for the next year.

I wrote this entire post, bar the red here, before picking up on the fact that you said you had only watched Season 1. As such, the rest contains some spoilers (although not explicit, being mostly the names of events/locations and not their descriptions). I've made the rest of the text invisible, so if you want to read it you can just highlight it.

As for the prophecies and foreshadowing, that is what makes good drama and good literature.
And to be honest, if you're focussing on the foreshadowing that hasn't happened yet then you are focussing on the wrong things.
We've yet to see Winter Coming (although we arguably have in S5E8-10 with Stannis), but that's never been something to wait for, just to consider.
We've yet to see the Dragons bringing destruction because they have to grow (although again, we can argue we've seen them cause destruction in S4/5 to the people of Meereen).
We've yet to see hordes coming from Essos to Westeros, but we have seen why. The Khalasar has fallen apart, and Dany is working in Meereen.
We have seen armies in the north attack the south, with all of the battles and such that took place in S2/3, but we know that the Northern troops were defeated at the Red Wedding.
We have seen the Wildlings attack the wall, as forewarned in S1/2, and we watched that in S4. They were defeated.
We have seen the White Walkers lead an attack on the Night's Watch in S3. We have seen them attack the Wildlings in S5.

And then you only have to look at all the more subtle prophecies.
If you follow pretty much everything Melisandre has said to anyone then you will realise that her prophecies are coming true, especially this season.
If you follow the prophecy given by Maggie the Frog, then you will see that has also started to come true.


The series can't be big dramatic battles every single episode.
We've gotten big ones most seasons at least, with Blackwater in S2, the Red Wedding in S3, the Wildling assault in S4 and Hardhome in S5 (among several other smaller ones in each season).
The rest of the time the series is a Drama. It has to build up and it has to follow a story, giving room for these big events.
And as for the prophecies, they are coming true. The big ones, like Winter is Coming, isn't even a major prophecy, just a warning about being ill-prepared.



Read this keeping in mind I only watched the first season. And I thought it was good. It deserves the mass acclaim.
Season 1 is a slow start into the series.
There are few battles, and the majority of the season is focussed on Court Intrigue and conspiracy (in the North, the South AND Essos).

The things you've mentioned as being prophecised are coming, still slowly, but they are coming.
As for action, you'll see a lot more of it. With the death of Robert in Season 1, it starts a long chain of events leading to multiple conflicts, and the story at the Wall and in Essos also continue to grow and will feature their own action too.

Season 1 really is the Pilot season, introducing you to the universe, as well as some intricate drama, and intending to challenge the tropes and conventions you normally find in stories. No one is safe.
Keep watching and you'll enjoy it.

Sorry this post is so rambly.

With the death of Robert in Season 1, it starts a long chain of events leading to multiple conflict
I'd argue it starts with the death of Jon Arryn before episode 1.

Read this keeping in mind I only watched the first season. And I thought it was good. It deserves the mass acclaim.

Honestly I tried to get into the show. It has clever writing and some of the best sets I've ever seen on TV. The problem is that almost everything they show is foreshadowing. Every few episodes there would be an awesome fight or plottwist and it would be awesome. But I felt like most of what I watched was just promising something awesome would happen later. "WINTER IS COMING BUT NOT FOR A WHILE. DRAGONS ARE GONNA TAKE OVER STUFF BUT NOT FOR A WHILE. THE HORDES OF ESSOS ARE COMING OVER THE OCEAN BUT NOT FOR A WHILE. ARMIES IN THE NORTH ARE GONNA ATTACK THE SOUTH BUT NOT FOR A WHILE." But when does the actual action start? I enjoyed thinking back on it but watching it felt like a chore waiting for the big reward at the end. And admittedly the end was pretty awesome.

TLDR; everything was just foreshadowing for a grander episode that never really came.
If you're watching the show for action, then you might be watching for the wrong reasons. I think sir dooble explained everything better than I can, though.

I didn't read any of your spoiler. I just finished S2E7 and damn it's getting good.

WARNING: EXTREMELY MILD SPOILERS
I feel like they purposly have boring plots going alongside the awesome ones to add filler into the show. Watching Ned Stark and Yrgrit (or however you spell it) travel through the north and develop was fantastic. Watching Dany run around looking for dragons in Qarth was awesome. Watching that guy who's name I can't remember hunt the kids was fantastic. Watching two prisoners chat in a cage for 10 minutes is boring. Watching Arya serve a lord and eat mutton is also boring. Even watching the peasants revolt is boring. I don't even know why.


And that ending... man. Most shocking one yet of the entire series. You don't expect that sorta thing even from Game of Thrones.
« Last Edit: June 19, 2015, 04:12:12 AM by McZealot »

Watching Ned Stark and Yrgrit (or however you spell it)
That's Jon Snow and Ygritte :) Kind of like how people confuse King Sroad and King Slanding..
And that ending... man. Most shocking one yet of the entire series. You don't expect that sorta thing even from Game of Thrones.
oh man i remember what you are talking about and that isnt even the worst there will be :)


Trust me, the show doesn't need to add any filler because they have more than enough content from the books, which they have to cut a lot out
The part with Arya is significant because of who that "lord" was, and what she overhears

I loved the scenes with Arya and Tywin.. they were some of the best parts of S2 imo

Just finished S2E8 and that reveal at the end was awesome. I thought ____ couldn't be dead because of the wolf thing but I really didn't know. The music fit so well I looked it up on youtube.

Awesome: (no spoilers)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svUHcWvG4R0&feature=youtu.be&t=1m14s

Finished Season 2. I felt like S2E9 (Blackwater) was the best episode of the series. When the whole episode focuses on one event with Tyrion and The Hound and Cersei switching viewpoints it does really well. The best part of the intro was Cersei getting drunk with Sansa and talking IMO. Gave a lot of interesting exposition. The whole battle was pretty awesome and I was glad it didn't suddenly change to Dany scratching a baby dragon's belly or something that like.

Cersei and Jon = best characters. Dany and Arya are losers. Rest are varying degrees of meh.

I don't get why everyone loves Dany. She was literally sold as a wife to some scary Klingon-Mongol dude who was given some Dragon Eggs as a gift. Later she just sorta claims them as her own and bam everyone is calling her "The Mother of Dragons" like she is some big badass.
« Last Edit: June 22, 2015, 06:53:25 PM by McZealot »

Cersei and Jon = best characters. Dany and Arya are losers.
Cersei becomes an even bigger bitch as the show progresses. Cersei and Joffrey are both really well played
Seasons 3-5 sees Arya move from a meek little child to a badass

Cersei becomes an even bigger bitch as the show progresses. Cersei and Joffrey are both really well played
Thing is, Cersei knows what she is doing. She's a total boss. She is in a pretty crappy situation and she plays the politics better than anyone in the show.

Thing is, Cersei knows what she is doing. She's a total boss. She is in a pretty crappy situation and she plays the politics better than anyone in the show.
Cersei forgets up big in Book 4, but S5 really downplays how big of a forgetup it was

spoiler for details of forgetup: In the tv series, cersei rearms the faith militant, and tells them to arrest Ser Loras. At his trial, Margaery defends him, and is arrested for lying (probably planned/predicted by Cersei, but never made clear), and then the high sparrow tells cersei "we know what you've done too" and arrests her.
But in the books, Cersei does things completely differently. She gets rid of Loras by sending him to join a seige on Dragonstone, then goes straight for Margaery by framing her for adultery. She seduced Osney Kettleblack into "confessing" (falsely) to the high sparrow that he slept with Margaery, she is arrested. But the high sparrow found Osney's "confession" suspicious and ends up beating the truth from her, then arresting Cersei
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Thing is, Cersei knows what she is doing. She's a total boss. She is in a pretty crappy situation and she plays the politics better than anyone in the show.
Uhhh I disagree that she knows what she is doing. She has made forgetup after forgetup, and now that SPOILER:Tywin is gone, all her stuff is catching up to her and she cant do anything about it.

After playing the game of thrones telltale game with a friend I've realized that the telltale formula is an absolutely terrible medium for the GoT universe

elaboration:
big jimpus larry: frankly it's just boring
big jimpus larry: it's use of the universe is to add in a bunch of uninteresting characters who do nothing but act as plot vehicles while you make useless decisions that boil down to two alternatives in the plot that frankly don't have many differences
big jimpus larry: The characters who are from the actual universe are there merely to serve as a "See, we read the source material!" reminder until they act completely different than you'd expect them to
big jimpus larry: it honestly doesn't really mix together and it ends up being a bland mess that really isn't worth the money or the time
« Last Edit: June 22, 2015, 07:26:16 PM by IkeTheGeneric »

I don't get why everyone loves Dany. She was literally sold as a wife to some scary Klingon-Mongol dude who was given some Dragon Eggs as a gift. Later she just sorta claims them as her own and bam everyone is calling her "The Mother of Dragons" like she is some big badass.
Daenerys is loved because she isn't perfect and makes mistakes. She is a young girl struggling to survive in a land that is foreign to her and her family, and she has always tried her best to protect the lowborns, the slaves, the weak, and the helpless, polar opposites of her and her once powerful family. We have seen her grow from a young girl afraid of her brother to a queen who takes no stuff from anyone

You will really start to like Arya during S3-S4, she gets stuck with an unexpected companion and they steal the show together.