Freedom of Speech infringement at my school?

[Col. Derontchi]

I'm pretty sure you've only read about gay people on the internet or something

No, I go to a school with many non-hetero people, thus why we have SOFA Club. If you can't see what I'm trying to convey, then perhaps you are unable to.

"The wise man knows he knows nothing, the fool thinks he knows all."
Consider expanding your worldview before you make generalizations about 350 million people, (5% of the world population) or even 15 million people (LGBT people in the US)

All the LGBT people I know (the many) are chill people

That is a useless quote in this situation, sir, unless you apply it to yourself. You assume that I must be narrow-minded and cherry-picking situations, which is not true. It is evident, only some people interpret it differently. You and I, for example. I know that not every single BLT person is one of those I am describing, but a decent number seem to be, perhaps even without realizing it.

can you just tell everyone what this means. instead of saying that someone else has explained it (when they haven't)

I have told you. There is no further brown townysis needed. It is as simple as what I said. Making a big deal out of being different, if you will. Sort of like a hipster saying, "I was "x" before it was cool", it's as if they're special because they are different.

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[Epicduke]

the school shouldn't have given a stuff unless they somehow made the poster some stupid form of private property. intolerance of intolerance is still intolerance

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nevada is definitely not the south. so it was kinda unnecessary to clarify, but whatever

Hey man all the freaks and Mormons live in eastern Nevada.

[Col. Derontchi]

the school shouldn't have given a stuff unless they somehow made the poster some stupid form of private property. intolerance of intolerance is still intolerance

It wasn't even intolerance to begin with. It was just kids being destructive.

And then the kid who liked that post.

[Bisjac]

freedom of speech does not apply just anywhere. including public schools.

[Col. Derontchi]

freedom of speech does not apply just anywhere. including public schools.

Actually, I think the school's trying to report it as a "hate crime". Still, even then, it may not necessarily be the legal right, but the coveted concept.

[·::Kishgal::·]

I'm asking about specific situations in which LGBT teens attention whore

Why would I remember things like that well enough to recount them? I completely disassociated myself from people like that ages ago.

and nobody says anything about it. so it's not normal, but it's... "okay"

Did you read my post?

It's definitely not viewed as acceptable by anyone but a cunt and his friends.

freedom of speech does not apply just anywhere. including public schools.

Schools are probably where you have the least free speech, in fact, second only to a strict household. It is incredible to me that there are still people who do not understand this.

[ultimamax]

No, I go to a school with many non-hetero people, thus why we have SOFA Club. If you can't see what I'm trying to convey, then perhaps you are unable to.
your experience of gay people is based on a bunch of teenagers at your school

That is a useless quote in this situation, sir, unless you apply it to yourself. You assume that I must be narrow-minded and cherry-picking situations, which is not true. It is evident, only some people interpret it differently. You and I, for example. I know that not every single BLT person is one of those I am describing, but a decent number seem to be, perhaps even without realizing it.
youre saying a decent number of them seem to be based on however many you've met. fact is your sample size is too low

I have told you. There is no further brown townysis needed. It is as simple as what I said. Making a big deal out of being different, if you will. Sort of like a hipster saying, "I was "x" before it was cool", it's as if they're special because they are different.  it is special because on the whole, a gay person's life is more likely to be significantly more challenging than a straight person's

Why would I remember things like that well enough to recount them? I completely disassociated myself from people like that ages ago.
If they happened too long ago to recount, does it really make sense to use them as a frame of reference for how the whole group behaves?

Did you read my post?

Schools are probably where you have the least free speech, in fact, second only to a strict household. It is incredible to me that there are still people who do not understand this.

[·::Kishgal::·]

If they happened too long ago to recount, does it really make sense to use them as a frame of reference for how the whole group behaves?

If you were reading anything I'm saying, you'd know that I am not speaking of a whole group, but a minority.

[Col. Derontchi]

No, it's based on what I see everywhere. It is evident just about anywhere. This is one of the few valid generalizations that exist. The problem is not that a gay person is being openly gay. The problem is that a person believes they are somehow special because they are gay (FYI, they really aren't. I would also like a citation on that "life difficulty" bit, please.), while still insisting that they are no different from any straight person. I'm not really talking so much about the individual as I am the mindset that has been created by all this mess.

[sir dooble]

Are you talking about flamboyant, camp, loud people?
Like Louie Spence?

Although I will admit I find Louie Spence disturbingly funny, but not someone I can take in large doses or seriously.

[Col. Derontchi]

Not my exact point, but may help you to understand it.

[Swat 3]

I think they just got suspended for tearing down loving posters.

You don't have a right to tear down posters, which was probably endorsed by the school via some sort of GSA. If I was going around tearing down random stuff on the walls of my school I would get suspended as well.

Sure, HE shouldn't have been suspended, but the people who posted the picture/did it definately should have. There's a thing called being an starfish and hurting people's feelings and also their freedom of speech and expressions.

There is a fine line between being an starfish and practicing your freedom of speech.
But no, your friend shouldn't have been suspended.

[ultimamax]

I'd like to think it's simply an adolescence sort of thing, but I've never stuck around those people long enough to find out, so who knows.

You seemed ambivalent as to whether the annoying trope continued beyond adolescence.

Perhaps I didn't read thoroughly enough, I just skipped to page 5 so I wasn't really sure what position you'd taken.

No, it's based on what I see everywhere. It is evident just about anywhere. This is one of the few valid generalizations that exist. The problem is not that a gay person is being openly gay. The problem is that a person believes they are somehow special because they are gay (FYI, they really aren't. I would also like a citation on that "life difficulty" bit, please.), while still insisting that they are no different from any straight person. I'm not really talking so much about the individual as I am the mindset that has been created by all this mess.

Sorry, I didn't realize you're omniscient. You've observed every single LGBT person on the planet right?
"One of the few valid generalizations"
As far as I'm conserved, no generalization is valid

I'm sure there are people whose entire identity revolves around their loveuality.  That is a consequence of being a self-absorbed person, not being gay.

Here's a good citation:

40% of the homeless youth served by agencies identify as LGBT [Williams Institute, 2012]
43% of clients served by drop-in centers identified as LGBT
30% of street outreach clients identified as LGBT
30% of clients utilizing housing programs identified as LGBT

despite being 5-8% of the american population, 40% of the homeless youth are gay.

you can be legally:
fired
evicted
denied a loan
have your child expelled

gay youth are twice as likely as their peers to say they have been physically assaulted, kicked, or shoved at school

LGBT teenagers are 2 or 3 times more likely to attempt Self Delete than other teens. if their family does not accept them, they are 8x more likely to commit Self Delete than other teens.

shall i go on? i only focused on LGBT youth here, there's a plethora of other issues

Not my exact point, but may help you to understand it.

i've seen this video.
k&p made this video not as a stereotype of gay men, but as a criticism of those who do make their entire identity about their loveuality
hell, the 'main character' is revealed to be gay at the end
you misinterpreted the video if you think that means that this applies to "a decent portion" of the community

[tnatsissA]

I thought people should have found out by now that the majority of LGBT* is not like

^this at all. This movie even made me feel disappointed when I saw people getting the assumption that all gay men/women are like this.