Author Topic: Americans choose Harriet Tubman to be on the $20 bill  (Read 48816 times)

it doesn't affect us in the long run.
What is the long run, exactly?

i REALLY do. you're an idiot.
- guy trying to convince me that slavery, the egyptians, and 2 genocides that happened recently, in relation to the entire human history, don't matter

Hey how about you both are being idiots and we can be done with this?

That wasn't his point. He was a competent general, as seen in the Battle of New Orleans
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_New_Orleans
i know what he implied. my point is that even though he was a war hero i wouldn't go as far as to calling him "badass" when he was responsible for the deaths of the natives.
yeah and comparing him to a delusional tyrant who's fascist rule made for the least efficient state ever is p dumb zay.
well of course it's an exaggeration. jackson wasn't nuts. but my point is that the germans did see adolf as a sort of hero as well even though they were mislead.

nah i'm not going down into butterfly effect-esque bullstuff. obviously everything that has happened has some small effect. someone who died could've had a long family tree that extended into a bunch more and caused a bunch of people and and and. there is nothing here that you can look back at and say "oh yep there it is, that's what changed. that caused it." andrew jackson pushed slaves west, some died. harriet tubman saved some slaves. big whoop. it doesn't affect us in the long run.
what? we're still dealing with the implications of indian genocide and the trail of tears as a whole. essentially, the trail of tears prompted the construction of more reservations and a lingering animosity in the american indian population, which would surface in the various conflicts between indians and settlers that would later come, including the wounded knee incident of 1973 (unsure of the exact date).

in addition, the indians in the area took the US government to the supreme court and (if i remember correctly) won. andrew jackson overrode the court's discussion, which prompted a discussion on the power of the president and the position of native americans as citizens. both of these would resurface throughout us history, continuing to the debates and conflicts over presidential power today.

this stuff SURE AS forget effects us in the long run.

Hey how about you both are being idiots and we can be done with this?

What is the long run, exactly?
the whole of human history

- guy trying to convince me that slavery, the egyptians, and 2 genocides that happened recently, in relation to the entire human history, don't matter
a bunch of things that happened before you were born and have not changed the way you go about living do not matter.

what? we're still dealing with the implications of indian genocide and the trail of tears as a whole. essentially, the trail of tears prompted the construction of more reservations and a lingering animosity in the american indian population, which would surface in the various conflicts between indians and settlers that would later come, including the wounded knee incident of 1973 (unsure of the exact date).

in addition, the indians in the area took the US government to the supreme court and (if i remember correctly) won. andrew jackson overrode the court's discussion, which prompted a discussion on the power of the president and the position of native americans as citizens. both of these would resurface throughout us history, continuing to the debates and conflicts over presidential power today.

this stuff SURE AS forget effects us in the long run.
maybe they should stop living in their trailers in the wilderness and join society like normal people or stop complaining

maybe they should stop living in their trailers in the wilderness and join society like normal people or stop complaining

have a racism cookie  :cookie:

maybe they should stop living in their trailers in the wilderness and join society like normal people or stop complaining
lol this statement really has convinced me to leave this thread. im done asfdag

maybe they should stop living in their trailers in the wilderness and join society like normal people or stop complaining
if you go by a general "don't be a richard to people" policy. world problems solved.

Andrew Jackson was objectively a good president.  He did what the people wanted.  He had their interests at heart.  That is what democracy is all about.

Today's values do not align very much with the values of that day, but that doesn't make him a bad president.
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the whole of human history
How does a piece of history not matter in the entirety of history?
If you pick and choose what pieces of history are nice and fun and convenient for you then it's not the "whole of human history."
maybe they should stop living in their trailers in the wilderness and join society like normal people or stop complaining
In the midst of discussion I actually forgot how handicapped you are.

the whole of human history
dammit nonnel are you not reading my posts

All history matters. It's just a matter of how much we know it has influenced our lives. However, everything eventually effects eachother in extremely complex, counter-intuitive ways as predicted by chaos theory. Even the wingbeats of a butterfly can change the course of history given enough time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect

a bunch of things that happened before you were born and have not changed the way you go about living do not matter.
Just because it was done before your birth doesn't mean it suddenly is irrelevant. A slave could of married your ancestor instead of whoever married them instead, and you could of not been born. I think that's a pretty loving big change.

have a racism cookie  :cookie:
race is not culture. culture kept them wanting their land away from the americans to practice life as they did. race has nothing to do with anything as usual.

Just because it was done before your birth doesn't mean it suddenly is irrelevant. A slave could of married your ancestor instead of whoever married them instead, and you could of not been born. I think that's a pretty loving big change.
well first i already said i'm not going into butterfly effect bullstuff
also no that would not be a big change at all