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Author Topic: Windows 10 Thread | I AM LATE BUT IT'S HERE FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE  (Read 134776 times)

I really don't think there's much to argue about, because it all comes down to preference. No matter what, there is always the possibility that a bot is looking at private data, and the statistically impossible chance that a person does. If this bothers you, frankly any modern OS isn't for you. Even XP could send detailed performance and crash data if a program shut down too fast.
Dude, tho... I already said I don't care about performance and crash data and even lists of software installed, which is quite frankly more invasive than crash data. I care about the content of my private files, emails etc being accessible. I've said this all many times, I'm just trying to get you to understand where I come from on this.

Dude, tho... I already said I don't care about performance and crash data and even lists of software installed, which is quite frankly more invasive than crash data. I care about the content of my private files, emails etc being accessible. I've said this all many times, I'm just trying to get you to understand where I come from on this.
but yet you ignore these things on the previous operating systems you use?
you should read the terms and conditions on contracts like your cable service, phone service, internet service, and any program you install on your computer. 
you will find things like that in almost every contract i assure you
have you even read the terms and conditions for the official release or are you just dragging conclusions from the outdated clickbait articles on the internet?

Dude, tho... I already said I don't care about performance and crash data and even lists of software installed, which is quite frankly more invasive than crash data. I care about the content of my private files, emails etc being accessible. I've said this all many times, I'm just trying to get you to understand where I come from on this.
I'm fine with them being accessible, because I know its statistically impossible a person will see them. Even if my data does come to harm, Microsoft will be held responsible big-time, and their company may fall apart altogether. Companies have power, but they cannot silence people.

Like I said, its preference. I know there is the inkling of a chance Microsoft could take a look at our emails, history, and dragon research folders, but frankly, its so slim I don't even care. Companies have been stealing our data for years, especially Google, which has your stuff by default and has previously been summoned by courts many times to release personal data. Microsoft pales in comparison, and in return for that slim chance of privacy invasion, you get a super futuristic operating system with a smart personal assistance who tells clean jokes. Why sacrifice all this awesome stuff for a statistically impossible fear?

have you even read the terms and conditions for the official release or are you just dragging conclusions from the outdated clickbait articles on the internet?
His concerns aren't as extreme as that dishonest picture, but there are a couple of things you might be genuinely be worried about if you're super paranoid about your data.

I'm fine with them being accessible, because I know its statistically impossible a person will see them. Even if my data does come to harm, Microsoft will be held responsible big-time, and their company may fall apart altogether. Companies have power, but they cannot silence people.

Like I said, its preference. I know there is the inkling of a chance Microsoft could take a look at our emails, history, and dragon research folders, but frankly, its so slim I don't even care. Companies have been stealing our data for years, especially Google, which has your stuff by default and has previously been summoned by courts many times to release personal data. Microsoft pales in comparison, and in return for that slim chance of privacy invasion, you get a super futuristic operating system with a smart personal assistance who tells clean jokes. Why sacrifice all this awesome stuff for a statistically impossible fear?
His concerns aren't as extreme as that dishonest picture, but there are a couple of things you might be genuinely be worried about if you're super paranoid about your data.
Can I have the guaranteed five bucks from the EULA when that day comes?

i like that cursor, what is it
its some mac cursor, don't recall the exact name of it
Why is your monitor curved?
it's not, just a trick of the lens. took photo at an angle

but yet you ignore these things on the previous operating systems you use?
you should read the terms and conditions on contracts like your cable service, phone service, internet service, and any program you install on your computer.  
you will find things like that in almost every contract i assure you
have you even read the terms and conditions for the official release or are you just dragging conclusions from the outdated clickbait articles on the internet?
C'mon man, I'm trying to do this in the most civil way possible. Most other contracts say that they will share and even sell some info yes, but never before has a company gone as far as to explicitly say that they will share all the private files on your computer with anyone who asks if it complies with law. There was nothing in win7 that said that, nothing in win8 or win8.1. That's why I'm using them at all, because they haven't explicitly said that there is that functionality in place. From a computer security standpoint, that's actually bad. Ideally, if you don't know what the code is that's running on your computer, you shouldn't run it. That's why I'm trying to make the switch to Linux. It's well understood and open source, no privacy policies or EULAs or TOS's.

The reason I don't like accessibility of data is because you never know what's happening to your data, and you don't have control over it. It's like having security cameras in every corner of your house (Including private places like bedrooms and showers), and they don't have an indicator light! It's not only incredibly unsettling but it's a massive invasion of privacy whether or not they claimed to have been turned on. It could also be compared to having a trojan on your computer. Microsoft could be automatically siphoning users data for all we know, or maybe they're doing nothing. A hacker could figure out how it works and steal any info they want, without Microsoft ever figuring out about it. Someone could have already figured it out for all we know, believe it or not, not all hacks are disclosed publicly or ever found out about. That's the worst part: Knowing that someone could be sitting on all your private info just waiting to release it.

Also, on the point of MS being ruined if even a single persons data got leaked: Let's do a thought experiment. Let's take the most likely route: Inside job. Let's say one of the sysadmins disclosed 100 users credit card files by fetching their info from their private files on their computer.

Microsoft fires everyone involved, offers $10k to all of those affected and makes a statement saying "Here at Microsoft we take your privacy seriously. We're taking extensive measures including tightening security to make sure this never, ever happens again."

That's just along the lines of what those other companies did: They had access to private info on their clients, someone leaked it (The same kind of info from the other leaks too), they fired everyone, offered settlements, and made a comforting statement. Given this is exactly what the other companies did, do you think they would be ruined? If so, why?
« Last Edit: July 30, 2015, 11:37:06 PM by Ipquarx »

Can I have the guaranteed five bucks from the EULA when that day comes?
Every single company ever wants to have no liability and try to give out as little as possible, this is nothing new and a logical step to take in any corporation. The loss, if any, will likely come in part from credit companies. Remember Starbucks? PayPal and other credit services were the ones who reimbursed the customers who were affected by the password guessing on their app. When my credit card information was stolen, regardless of who or what stole it, Wells Fargo was the one who paid me back.
It is not Microsoft's job to act as money recovery, although they still can be sued for other practices, such as using your data illegally, which does not necessarily stem from a product.

Also, on the point of MS being ruined if even a single persons data got leaked: Let's do a thought experiment. Let's take the most likely route: Inside job. Let's say one of the sysadmins disclosed 100 users credit card files by fetching their info from their private files on their computer.

Microsoft fires everyone involved, offers $10k to all of those affected and makes a statement saying "Here at Microsoft we take your privacy seriously. We're taking extensive measures including tightening security to make sure this never, ever happens again."

That's just along the lines of what those other companies did: They had access to private info on their clients, someone leaked it (The same kind of info from the other leaks too), they fired everyone, offered settlements, and made a comforting statement. Given this is exactly what the other companies did, do you think they would be ruined? If so, why?
Frankly, that sounds like an excellent way to handle things. If they reimburse you and fix the leak, why should you still want their company to die? Things like that happen in every situation, whether or not related to some software that happened to be checking out your computer's performance.

Microsoft could be automatically siphoning users data for all we know, or maybe they're doing nothing.
This isn't exclusive to Microsoft and Windows 10 you know, data is being collected by companies all the time. Google, Facebook, Yahoo, Apple, and even older versions of Windows all take your data and have the fraction of a fraction of a chance to have a human peek at a section of data from your computer. Complete privacy in technology is impossible.

although they still can be sued for other practices, such as using your data illegally, which does not necessarily stem from a product.
not-so-fun fact: if CISA passes, you won't be able to sue because of illegal data use. I like bringing this up whenever I can as you can tell.

Frankly, that sounds like an excellent way to handle things. If they reimburse you and fix the leak, why should you still want their company to die?
So you agree their company wouldn't be ruined if they handled things right? That seems to be the logical answer for me, too. I've never wanted microsoft to die as a company, I just don't want them having access to my data. And no I don't care if they have performance data, idk why you keep mentioning that :(

This isn't exclusive to Microsoft and Windows 10 you know, data is being collected by companies all the time. Google, Facebook, Yahoo, Apple, and even older versions of Windows all take your data and have the fraction of a fraction of a chance to have a human peek at a section of data from your computer. Complete privacy in technology is impossible.
I know data is being collected at all times, in fact there's probably a complete dossier of my personal info online thanks to adaptive advertising algorithms and data collecting,  which is somewhat unsettling but is a result of me not being a complete paranoid nut online as a kid. I used chrome for a long time, I used google for a hell of a lot longer and still do for uploading videos and sometimes searching. But, the one thing I know they don't have is my private harddrive files. I ain't givin' that up without a fight. It seems you understand my point of view, so I'm heading off to bed!

but why understand when you can argue

i wish i had access to what the internet knows about me, i mean that's pretty awesome i want to see how well they got to the actual me

guys i have a solution to the privacy issue. use linux like a neckbeard so the CIA dont catch you for random reasons like maybe you have the worlds biggest neckbeard and tiniest richard.

rip me

Linux is cool and all and is a wonderful choice for server applications, but as a desktop system it just doesn't have the foolproof-ness to be relied on by most of your average joes who don't actually know how computer.

Also I don't like having to fix stuff all the time on my leisure computer.

Linux is cool and all and is a wonderful choice for server applications, but as a desktop system it just doesn't have the foolproof-ness to be relied on by most of your average joes who don't actually know how computer.

Also I don't like having to fix stuff all the time on my leisure computer.

you heard it here, guys

It seems you understand my point of view, so I'm heading off to bed!
I absolutely do. This whole debate really stems down to nothing but opinion on what level of privacy you want to try and keep, and I don't really blame you. But Windows 10 is awesome, and things like that big dishonest "evidence" picture posted earlier, that linked spell checking in a system designed for feedback to the work of national socialist propagandists, annoy me beyond belief. I couldn't help but rant against it.
On a final note, sorry if I ever came off as rude, I've got absolutely nothing against you, and dragons are always cool in my book.
« Last Edit: July 31, 2015, 12:43:41 AM by Narkro555 »

you heard it here, guys
really? I thought we heard it on myspace