"If he only acted through nature it wouldn't even matter if he exists or not, and it definitely wouldn't serve as proof of anything."
God doesn't just act through nature, he acts through nature and in many ways which we can't comprehend. "Three stories? That's hardly miraculous. Lifting a two ton car? Have you heard about this natural hormone called adrenaline? Living after having been sucked into jet engine? Although unlikely, it did happen without any apparent godly intervention (his helmet jammed the rotor blades). Let's rhetorically say that these were all acts of God, though. That would only mean that God acts very randomly and that he isn't as just as the Bible makes him seem.
People are dying from hunger all over the world, children are being tortured and raped and thousands of people kill themselves out of loneliness. Isn't it strange that God acts not by saving these people, but by letting some guy (working on getting a war machine ready to fire some missiles at people, none the less) survive being sucked into a jet engine?
I'm saying that if God exists and is almighty and all that, he is either
1. Passive (out of curiosity perhaps) and has no real impact on or lives at all. That means that it doesn't matter if he exists. It also means NO MIRACLES!
2. Active, in which case he is a very cruel and inconsiderate being, showing that he can in fact act through miracles but only does so occasionally, and on a seemingly random basis."
I only stated three for examples. Go search the net for the miraculous events that have taken place. And then email or call the people who experienced those situations and tell them that it was just a fluke. How does science explain the child surviving such a high fall? Did his skull somehow harden before impact? And programs have been created to help those who suffer. The people who created these groups want to maintain the greater good, and God is everything that is good."I never said that. I said that have little respect for anyone who believes that God created the world. To elaborate, I find it hard to respect anyone who believes that God physically does stuff at all. It's not because you did anything to me at all; it's more like you would disrespect an idiot. Not out of hate, but because you wouldn't trust him to do anything because he's stupid."
But, don't you have little respect for people that believe in God also? And true christians do not disrespect idiots, or commit immoral acts, so who is the better person?"The difference is that I don't blindly accept anything. My beliefs are based on logical conclusions that I can draw from what I see myself."
Your beliefs are based on logical conclusions that you can draw from what you've seen in a culture that demeans anyone who believes in God? I see a pattern here."Reality is always real because the word essentially means "how everything actually is". What we perceive as reality might -- while unlikely -- be different from what is actually real, though. Does that even matter? In the end it's only what we percieve as real that matters.
To all those arguing that religion dictates moral and that chaos would ensue if the Bible didn't tell us what's wrong: Are you really that cynical? People in general are more empathetic and considerate than you seem to think. It's not like everyone acts nice and friendly out of fear of being smitten by God or sent to hell. Modern western philosophy has taught me more about morals and ethics than the Bible ever could, anyway. "
You didn't prove that it exists outside of ourselves. You just said that it's real because that is the meaning behind the word. My point in comparing reality and not-believing-in-God folk, is to prove that we accept that reality is real and we don't question it's existance, and yet we question the existance of a higher being. Not even scientists can prove its real, and they can make us believe anything."So did the God in Adolf Riddler kill all those Jews? It would sort of make sense, them still not accepting Jesus as the anointed one and all.
Hmm, it could be that or maybe God just forgot Riddler and left him behind. "
No, Adolf Riddler did that. God is everything that is good. If we do evil it is because we choose to. "Straw man argument."
My question is a 'Straw Man Argument' just because you can't answer it? Why do people argue about religion when they don't even know enough about the entire debate. "You blindly accept that we're not really aliens from a far off galaxy set here to have love with everything in order to win voodoo cash prizes because that is the way you were raised. So how does that make you different from us, if that logic is to be believed? "
How exactly is that an intelligent argument? Were you raised believing that you are an alien? Did the media convince you that you were an alien? You are just jumping on the anti-religion band wagon because everyone else is doing it. I just heard that everyone was sending me money via paypal! Quick, send me more money!---
we can debate this forever, but I am happy with my decision to choose to put my faith in God. The feeling of happiness, accomplishment, and that warm feeling you get when you do something good is from God. Evil is a result from the abscence of God. God created science, and we experience his love through science. Science is even beginnning to prove that religion isn't so far off.
http://www.wsmv.com/news/13358825/detail.htmlWe have even discovered what is very similar to Jesus' tomb. Science can be used to disprove AND prove that there is evidence of God. So, why do people believe in science when it's findings are interpreted by humans, which are inarguably imperfect. One thing is for sure, christians with strong faith will never give up their beliefs, and this is what angers non-believers. If christians maintain good in the world, help other people, and are happy with their decision, what is to be debated? We believe in a higher meaning to life than just "we are here and we don't know why." Linde cleary said that it is foolish to believe in a higher meaning to life, well why is it foolish? Terror raises a great argument. What exactly is wrong with believing in God? It is possible for science and God to coexist in truth. But, the only reason most people do not even consider God is because they are influenced by culture. I do realize that it is hard to believe and explain, but many things in both religion and science go beyond comprehension. Anyway, I am done reading this topic. No amount of intelligent arguments or belief-challenging questions will make anyone in this topic have an open mind.
