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The big word: Religion
sockinyrpants:
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--- Quote from: sockinyrpants on January 15, 2008, 10:14:58 PM ---Religion is a catalyst of conflict. Agreed.
Sigh. What a messed up species we are...
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I blame Christians. :cookieMonster:
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I blame human nature. We just can't help but turn to hope in desperate times of need.
sockinyrpants:
--- Quote from: Bisjac on January 16, 2008, 03:07:33 PM ---science has been proving god wrong, and proving we don't need a god. one advancement after another.
Many books have been removed from the bible over many 100s of years simply because of physics, medical science, and other advancements proving them wrong.
Didn't the Christian church (and other religions) kill people that said the world wasn't flat? Yes. because god made it flat.
Didn't they kill people for claiming that sickness can be cured and prevented? and its not just a curse from god because we sin? Yes.
Even these days, religions will try to change their creed, so that to keep up with the times, as thats the only way to keep getting money from people.
Even the pope himself will go against the teachings of god and the bible, and what the church stood for, for many years, because science proved them wrong. and its time to play catch up
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/b-pope-accepts-evolution.htm
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We're human beings, we make mistakes. Big ones with dire consequences at times. We're weak by nature; that's why we've God. Tadah.
sockinyrpants:
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--- Quote from: Terror on January 17, 2008, 06:52:55 PM ---What is wrong with eternal bliss after life?
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according to the bible, you have no identity in heaven. no memories, or free thoughts. all you exist for in heaven is to non stop praise god. and your self is gone.
Christians tend to not like to study that part.
its very displeasing
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Yeah imagine that. You waste your whole life doing what the Bible tells you to do (pretty much be a lapdog), and in the end, what are you rewarded with? Nothing. No recognition, no credit. Just eternal servitude you owe to the big guy up there, because he supposedly gave you life. :)
Linde:
--- Quote from: [GSF]Ghost on January 17, 2008, 08:26:32 PM ---God doesn't just act through nature, he acts through nature and in many ways which we can't comprehend.
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How can you know that if you can't even comprehend it? Are you making this up as you write or what?
--- Quote from: [GSF]Ghost on January 17, 2008, 08:26:32 PM ---I only stated three for examples. Go search the net for the miraculous events that have taken place. And then email or call the people who experienced those situations and tell them that it was just a fluke. How does science explain the child surviving such a high fall? Did his skull somehow harden before impact? And programs have been created to help those who suffer. The people who created these groups want to maintain the greater good, and God is everything that is good.
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Why does God have to manifest himself as the "greater good" in help groups to save starving children when he can do stuff like fortifying the skull of a falling child? Can't he just have manna rain upon the third world?
--- Quote from: [GSF]Ghost on January 17, 2008, 08:26:32 PM ---But, don't you have little respect for people that believe in God also? And true christians do not disrespect idiots, or commit immoral acts, so who is the better person?
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No, true christians just disrespect gay people and people with other beliefs since those are considered immoral in the Old Testament. Please do remember that this debate is not about who is the better person. There is no need to take this to a personal level.
--- Quote from: [GSF]Ghost on January 17, 2008, 08:26:32 PM ---Your beliefs are based on logical conclusions that you can draw from what you've seen in a culture that demeans anyone who believes in God? I see a pattern here.
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What's the pattern? Yes, surprise! Other people in our culture are also thinking logically!
--- Quote from: [GSF]Ghost on January 17, 2008, 08:26:32 PM ---You didn't prove that it exists outside of ourselves. You just said that it's real because that is the meaning behind the word. My point in comparing reality and not-believing-in-God folk, is to prove that we accept that reality is real and we don't question it's existance, and yet we question the existance of a higher being. Not even scientists can prove its real, and they can make us believe anything.
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We do not question reality because we can percieve it. We do question the existance of a higher being because there is nothing in this world that indicates that case.
--- Quote from: [GSF]Ghost on January 17, 2008, 08:26:32 PM ---No, Adolf Riddler did that. God is everything that is good. If we do evil it is because we choose to.
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Why was there no God in Adolf Riddler?
--- Quote from: [GSF]Ghost on January 17, 2008, 08:26:32 PM ---How exactly is that an intelligent argument? Were you raised believing that you are an alien? Did the media convince you that you were an alien? You are just jumping on the anti-religion band wagon because everyone else is doing it. I just heard that everyone was sending me money via paypal! Quick, send me more money!
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Read it again. He's amplifying the point you made to the absurd to show how little sense it makes. Logically, it is still exactly what you were saying. Why don't you believe that we are love-starved aliens?
--- Quote from: [GSF]Ghost on January 17, 2008, 08:26:32 PM ---we can debate this forever, but I am happy with my decision to choose to put my faith in God. The feeling of happiness, accomplishment, and that warm feeling you get when you do something good is from God. Evil is a result from the abscence of God. God created science, and we experience his love through science. Science is even beginnning to prove that religion isn't so far off. http://www.wsmv.com/news/13358825/detail.html
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I find it hard to believe that he is right when the only tangible comment given on the thesis is “I would not be able to even comment on that. … Those are some impressive formulas”. Also, this is from Nashville, TN.
Oh, and why is God ever absent? If He is all that is good and almighty, why can't He even maintain His own creation?
--- Quote from: [GSF]Ghost on January 17, 2008, 08:26:32 PM ---We have even discovered what is very similar to Jesus' tomb. Science can be used to disprove AND prove that there is evidence of God. So, why do people believe in science when it's findings are interpreted by humans, which are inarguably imperfect. One thing is for sure, christians with strong faith will never give up their beliefs, and this is what angers non-believers. If christians maintain good in the world, help other people, and are happy with their decision, what is to be debated? We believe in a higher meaning to life than just "we are here and we don't know why."
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You really can't find any meaning in life without having someone else tell it to you? I find that kind of sad, to be honest.
--- Quote from: [GSF]Ghost on January 17, 2008, 08:26:32 PM ---Linde cleary said that it is foolish to believe in a higher meaning to life, well why is it foolish?
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I did not. I said that it was foolish to do so just for the sake of it. I feel that I have a meaningful and happy life without some fairy tale to comfort me.
--- Quote from: [GSF]Ghost on January 17, 2008, 08:26:32 PM ---Terror raises a great argument. What exactly is wrong with believing in God? It is possible for science and God to coexist in truth.
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The Christian God can not coexist in truth with science. Christian beliefs contradict many scientific facts. I guess that you've read Genesis, so I don't think that I need to address this matter further.
--- Quote from: [GSF]Ghost on January 17, 2008, 08:26:32 PM ---But, the only reason most people do not even consider God is because they are influenced by culture.
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That's also the only reason people do believe in God. I have considered God many times, but it never got through to my close minded self how it could ever be true.
--- Quote from: [GSF]Ghost on January 17, 2008, 08:26:32 PM ---I do realize that it is hard to believe and explain, but many things in both religion and science go beyond comprehension. Anyway, I am done reading this topic. No amount of intelligent arguments or belief-challenging questions will make anyone in this topic have an open mind.
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OK.
WRB852:
From now on if you're going to use the term "God" be sure that you include a tag from your religion so we know who you're talking about. The "Christian God" is very different than the "FSM God"
Also to all of you people throwing around ideas as if they're fact. What makes your religion any more correct than others?