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The big word: Religion
Linde:
Just addressing some old points out of boredom.
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--- Quote from: [GSF]Ghost on January 16, 2008, 11:19:49 PM ---Science is just opinions that we accept as fact because it makes sense. Most of science is just best guess
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you really have no idea what science is do you. or is this what your priest teaches you?
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Not really. That was basically the first sentence in my Chemistry book last year.
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Really? That science is just opinions? I want an exact quote of that sentence and the ISBN number of that chemistry book so I know what not to ever consider buying.
--- Quote from: diosadentro on January 16, 2008, 05:20:52 PM ---Double post, Then what made FSM, and what made the thing that made FSM. and what made the thing that made the thing that made FSM... Inadvertly God created everything, there is no way you can disprove that.
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Then what created God?
--- Quote from: [GSF]Ghost on January 17, 2008, 09:12:05 AM ---Science doesn't explain reality, and scientists have been baffeled over this for many years.
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Science describes and explains reality whether it is as we actually percieve it or if it's just inside our heads.
--- Quote from: [GSF]Ghost on January 17, 2008, 09:12:05 AM ---Science also can't tell us what the meaning of life is.
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Science makes no attempt at telling us what the meaning of life is. That's entirely untrelated to science since the meaning of life is highly subjective.
--- Quote from: [GSF]Ghost on January 17, 2008, 09:12:05 AM ---Religion has two simple answers: Reality is just a test of choice to choose God or not, and the meaning of life is to find salvation. What does your science say? Nothing, and that is where science falls short.
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Okay, so religion might provide answers to those questions. It does not, however, back those answers up with any tangible evidence or anything that at least indicates that those answers might be true.
By your logic, I can say that I have answers to every unsolved mystery in the world, because technically I do, even if they are all wrong. Take that science! I can make stuff up and you can't disprove it! Ha!
--- Quote from: Terror on January 17, 2008, 06:52:55 PM ---I understand why you can't grasp the concept of a deity but what I don't understand is why you wouldn't want to believe in God. What is wrong with eternal bliss after life?
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So I am supposed to believe in something just for the sake of it? Believing in eternal bliss after life isn't going to make it true any more than believing that you will get $1000000 tomorrow is going to make you rich. I did not choose not to believe in God. I just don't because I was taught to think critically.
TheGeek:
--- Quote from: WRB852 on January 18, 2008, 09:15:55 AM ---"FSM God"
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FSM stands for Flying Spaghetti Monster, which is the name of the deity, basicly you're saying something like "the Allah God". "The Pastafarian God" would be better.
WRB852:
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--- Quote from: WRB852 on January 18, 2008, 09:15:55 AM ---"FSM God"
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FSM stands for Flying Spaghetti Monster, which is the name of the deity, basicly you're saying something like "the Allah God". "The Pastafarian God" would be better.
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I didn't feel like typing out Pastafarian at the time. :cookieMonster:
Muffinmix:
Let me clarify some things quickly about the whole Science vs. Religion thing.
First off, science is not, and will never be, Definite Fact. Allow me to explain, all the current scientific models HAVE worked for an x amount of situations, but until you have proven that these models will work for all future situations as well (i.e., by using them in infinite situations) you will NOT have a definite scientific model. This is the grand problem in science, in that it is an assemble of calculated guesses. Don't beleive me? What the hell do you think Quantum Mechanics is? No one understands that ice cream, NO ONE. That guy who made the famous equation that ties the Hamiltonian operator eigenfunctions with the energy eigenvalues? Schrödinger's equation was a calculated guess guys. A famous quote he made even established that he, himself, could not explain quantum mechanics. The reason we use it today is because it worked for all experiments up to this date.
You can overstate that yes, we did in fact do allot of experiments and the results did confer with what the current scientific laws have said, but this does not mean there won't be some mind boggling anomaly that will happen in future experiments that will throw one of our current model on it's ear. And even after that, some new anomaly will throw the new model on it's ear. No matter how we try, no matter what we do, we will never achieve "truth".
There's also the "Science proving religion wrong" stuff that I have read numerous times, but this ties up into the fact that people tend to sow their own beliefs into religion to try to make sure they are never proven wrong. I don't recall the bible stating "The world is flat" either. There's also the fact that science isn't exact, so you can't really prove something wrong when your very basis may be wrong. Thus, the dilemma of the whole science vs. religion thing.
I'll let you guys think about this. I'd also like to congratulate you guys on making this discussion interesting all around while keeping it in a relatively neutral tone. Keep it up and we might make more ground.
Monty:
Science never intended to prove religion wrong, it's there to find out why bacteria have fallanges.