Author Topic: The world needs more guns  (Read 12423 times)

Edit: after consulting my dad he's assured me that teachers are most against being allowed to carry weapons at school. They believe that that will disrupt the learning environment and make it feel less safe, which it would
Just cc, imo open carry would be a terrible idea b/c of students' reactions and privacy reasons.
no one needs to know specifically who decided and was OK'd to carry, only the administration. Any school system worth their funding would know that

It's not like I'm going to change your opinion on this or anything, but MORE guns in the hands of people that dont loving need guns is dumbassery at its finest. I'm not saying that teachers killing students would be commonplace, but it would be throwing a can of gasoline into a bonfire. There's no reason for it and it would just cause more gun violence. As I said before, your response to gun violence is "MORE GUNS DAMN IT" that only has the potential to make things worse and if you can't see that then you're blind
http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control-myths/concealed-carry/
keep throwing your insults and fear, I don't care, it's not helping you. This is a short article-- I suggest you read it all.

I never stated in this topic that we need more guns in response to violence, and I definitely didn't do so with the tone your bias implies I've had. In fact, I haven't stated my view on how to respond to gun violence in general across the US - unless you count how I agreed to better checks before purchasing a firearm - I'm only arguing whether the option for school staff to bring their concealed firearms on campus would deter criminals and overall be beneficial to the safety of other staff and students. A school being a "gun-free zone" is not as much as a response to gun violence as it is a potential denial of second amendment rights to me

Dude people shooting each other out of anger happens often. Being a teacher does not magically cure you of feeling anger. You act like shooting someone is always a long, thought out process in which the pros and cons are heavily weighted. It's not. Just look at the news and read the stories of people cutting someone off in traffic and then getting shot for it.
cops aren't magical either. cops kill more people than ccw permit holders, but there are around a million cops in the US and over 11 million ccw holders. And, oh, it's not? Speaking from experience? A split-second snap is a lot different from road-rage gun murders. If someone has the time to get extremely outraged, park their car, get and ready their weapon, then still have the goal to walk up to and fire on the person they're pissed at, then they've got issues of their own and are special cases-- how many of the road-rage murderers(or assailants, whichever may apply) were teachers or at least would have been qualified to teach? How many of those murderers held a ccw? Don't understand what I'm getting at? Refer to the "Myth: People with concealed weapons licenses will commit crimes" section of that article I linked you to if you haven't already read it. A, let's say, redneck who drinks daily or some deadbeat who beats his wife and/or kids or some similar people aren't quite fit to make it as an educator or a ccw holder.

of course, you could've known that, but you don't think as much as I do

We should just teach criminals not to break the law.

of course, you could've known that, but you don't think as much as I do
chill lmao

We should just teach criminals not to break the law.
let's just ban criminals


First of all chill

Second of all you need to stop having such a high opinion of your of yourself for a few seconds and realize that infesting a school with guns is a bad idea. I know that you're convinced that someone who's passed a test can't possible do wrong with a firearm, but that's def bullstuff. Example: anyone who's ever committed a crime with a legal concealed fire arm. I actually laughed when you said it was a myth that people who carry concealed fire arms never commit crimes with them, that's loving ridiculous. Listen dude, I don't think you're unintelligent, but you have a very narrow perspective about this. Trusting someone to teach your kids and trusting someone to use lethal force around your kids are very different things. Being qualified to teach has no relevance to how likely you are to misuse a gun.

And please don't bring up the second amendment. If you really do think about things intrinsically more then I do as you claim, you would have realized that owning a musket and owning an automatic weapon are two very different things. The world has changed so much since then, and guns are no exception.

Also, if I didn't know which teachers were carrying guns, that would make me feel even more nervous. Like wtf why is it necessary to for these weapons to be concealed? If you're worried about school security, hire security guards with visible weapons. That would certainly do more to deter crimes. Security guards would have little to no interaction with the students, so getting into altercations with them is unlikely. On the other hand, I see teachers getting into altercations with students all the time. Of course in most cases a teacher would never harm a student, I know that, but it would certainly make students more tense if they knew that some teachers were carrying guns.

Teachers don't need concealed weapons. I'm not going to change your opinion, and you certainly aren't going to change mine. Let's just leave it at that.  

you might wanna quote who you're replying to if its this many posts down

just rig every gun to shoot the person using it, literally all problems on earh solved

just rig every gun to shoot the person using it, literally all problems on earh solved
now this is a solution

And please don't bring up the second amendment. If you really do think about things intrinsically more then I do as you claim, you would have realized that owning a musket and owning an automatic weapon are two very different things. The world has changed so much since then, and guns are no exception.
You're the one who just brought up the second amendment, and are conflating the argument against automatic weapons with concealed carry handguns and gun free zones on top of it.

And while I can see the desire for more security in school, I'd actually be worried about the students getting a hand on the teacher's weapons over the teacher misusing them. Especially in urban school districts that already have gang problems.

yeah i lost my chill a little, I tend to lose my patience when people start slinging insults in an argument

Teachers don't need concealed weapons. I'm not going to change your opinion, and you certainly aren't going to change mine. Let's just leave it at that.
the urge to refute more of your points is strong, but you're probably right, so fair enough

i'll just throw in that I do agree with the second to last paragraph, I'd choose guards with visible guns - far less variables to worry about - but that's the whole reason it's such an issue: people don't know what's better: hiring armed guards or allowing teachers to carry, or if either would actually just be worse

you would have realized that owning a musket and owning an automatic weapon are two very different things. The world has changed so much since then, and guns are no exception.

If the advancement of firearms technology was enough to change the core principle of the second amendment, it would have been changed a long time ago.

Some states allow automatic weapons, some states don't. It's the state's power to decide in that case. You're right about one thing though, for a shooting to happen on this scale in a state with heavier restrictions on owning firearms, the second amendment isn't exactly relevant to how these Flash Mobers got weapons in the first place.

As far as arming teachers go, it's not the teachers responsibility to end a life in the name of safety. If you really think there should be armed people at schools, then the schools could hire security guards who's sole purpose is to protect the school and everyone inside it. I agree somewhat with what Machaty said about teachers having guns in that it's a bad idea
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I agree somewhat with what Machaty said about teachers having guns in that it's a bad idea

i thought we were joking about that anyway lmao

why don't we just shoot people who own guns

let's just ban criminals

We should arm the criminals so they can protect themselves from the police