[Religion Megathread] - What's your faith?

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I have a friend who is an ordained minister of Pastafarianism.
He has been truly touched by His noodly appendage.
« Last Edit: December 10, 2015, 09:24:16 PM by WaterOre »

I'm saying that lacking a belief and believing a lack are two different things. I'm not claiming any correctness of belief systems/lack of beliefs.

Here's an example for you.

Person A claims there's currently a teapot in orbit around earth. They firmly believe it, and it's possible they're correct.
Person B requests evidence of person A's claims, and person A provides no evidence/flawed evidence.
Person A says that the flaws/lack of evidence are insufficient to prove the existence of the teapot. End result is he does not believe in the teapot, however he does not necessarily believe the teapot is not there.

Just got off work so I'm late replying to this, but the way you describe it is sounding more and more like agnosticism (I think that's a word, autocorrect didn't stop me). You're saying he doesn't believe it's there, but he also thinks there's a possibility that it could exist.

A refuse to vote, since atheism is not a religion/faith.

That's cool, bro.

Just got off work so I'm late replying to this, but the way you describe it is sounding more and more like agnosticism (I think that's a word, autocorrect didn't stop me). You're saying he doesn't believe it's there, but he also thinks there's a possibility that it could exist.
I was confused with this as well at first, but atheism isn't actually defined as knowing FOR SURE that a god doesn't exist. It's defined as nothing more than not believing in a god, and what I described seems to be the route that most atheists take. There are of course some who claim to know for sure that there is no god, since that falls under the purview of atheism as well, and your criticism would be best directed towards them.

In that way, agnostic/gnostic would be more of a modifier. agnostic atheist would be "I don't believe in a god, but I don't believe there is no god," gnostic atheist would be "I know there is no god," and vice versa for theists as well.

I was confused with this as well at first, but atheism isn't actually defined as knowing FOR SURE that a god doesn't exist.
There's people who define atheism as knowing for sure, then define agnosticism as what atheism already means, usually either because they're afraid of connotations they view in the term "atheist", or to give themselves a sense of intellectual superiority by saying crap like "atheists are no better than theists because you think they can prove god doesn't exist, that's why I'm better because I'm agnostic ahahahaha"
(The later is an actual stance I've seen from a few people here.)

All agnostic means is "I know my belief can't be proven" without saying anything about what that belief actually is

The entire stance of "I'm an agnostic and that means I don't claim to know god doesn't exist" relies on strawmanning the atheist position to mean "knowing god doesn't exist" when that's not what most atheists believe.

Then it's further complicated by a couple people I've seen calling themselves agnostic thinking it means something entirely different, like deist or a random set of beliefs that don't fit with an existing religion
« Last Edit: December 11, 2015, 01:24:07 PM by Headcrab Zombie »

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I can't speak for NoI, but I can say that Mormonism is not Christian except by surface appearance, and Mormons are the only group that asserts they are Christian; all other christian groups reject Mormonism as a religious cult. Their actual beliefs are very different from Christianity (eg. god is an alien of flesh and bone from another planet, the denial of the trinity, jesus is not god and is instead satan's brother, the practice of baptism for the dead in secluded mormon temples, that heaven has 3 levels, and only super-faithful mormons who know all the secret temple passwords get to go to the top level).

Time to learn about Mormons from an actual Mormon. Our full/actual name is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints

First, we believe in the basic Christian belief that Jesus died for our sins and that belief in him will save us. However, we also believe that simply having faith is not enough to be saved; you need to have works as well [James 2:14-26]. This apparently is not a popular opinion. We believe in continued modern revelation through our prophet, which is a source of our "different" practices. We see these practices as being restored from the church that existed when Christ was on Earth.

Second, our temples are special places where we perform our most important ordinances (ceremonies, if you will). You don't need some secret password to get in, but you do need to have an interview with your local bishop to ascertain your worthiness to obtain a "temple "recommend," which is a sort of certificate allowing access. Temples are very holy places; we can't just allow anyone in. Each level of the temple is for a different ordinance, such as sealing a couple together, which is to make their marriage follow them into the afterlife. This is opposed to, "till death do you part." Romantic, huh? The lowest level, or the basement (which I might add is not a damp cave as thought by many, seriously, I wonder where people get this information from), is where baptisms for the dead are performed. It is where members are baptized on behalf of people who are already dead, so that they may have the chance to accept membership in spirit prison and progress to spirit paradise, as explained here.

Yes, we deny the trinity. We believe that God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost are separate beings. This being said, we believe that they are one in purpose, and thus perfectly able to work together to attain their goal of bringing all of us to Heaven. We believe that the Holy Ghost is a spirit, but that God and Jesus have bodies of flesh and bone, and that we are quite literally created in their image. Mind you, this perfection, both physical and mental, is far beyond what any of us can comprehend, and allows them to do the things that they do (that is, be our God and savior).

We believe in a premortal existence, where we all existed as spirit sons and daughters of Heavenly Father, and, by extension, an inferred Heavenly Mother. The Hebrew name for God, "Elohim," is plural. We take that to mean that "God" is constituted of a sealed man and woman couple, but Heavenly Father, as patriarchs do, acts as the spokesperson of the family.  This all causes people to accuse of of being polytheistic. While we believe that there are several God-like beings, we only worship one God. Back to us all being spiritual children of God, this included Jesus and Lucifer. They were both our brothers, and the eldest sons of God. God needed a plan to have us all be tested to see if we could be exalted to be like him one day. Both Jesus and Lucifer presented their plans to God. You may be familiar with Jesus's plan, where we would come to Earth, live our lives the way we wanted to with our "free agency," have Jesus enact the Atonement, then come back to God to be judged. Lucifer's plan was also to have us all come to Earth. However, he wanted to be sent and force us all to behave and live worthily. This would take away free agency, and thus preventing us from proving anything to God. God chose Jesus's plan and this angered Lucifer. He argued that Jesus, in his mortal state, could fail to enact the atonement. God cast him out along with his followers, about a "third of the hosts of Heaven." Lucifer and his followers became Satan and his demons, who have no chance of being saved and live in eternal torment. In their jealousy and rage, they strive to make all mankind as miserable as they are by dragging us down into sin. It may seem cruel at first, but they argued against God. Just think of the enormity of that.

Since we believe that we are judged by our works, it would make sense that there is more than one level of Heaven which we are assigned to according to how good we were. The full path from premortal existence to Heaven is in this diagram:
Outer Darkness is what's known as "Hell." The Celestial kingdom is where god resides. There is a thousand years between the Resurrection and Final Judgement. Those that make it to the Celestial Kingdom will become Gods themselves and have the chance to bring even more souls to be like them with their very own worlds. I know it sounds incredible, but like any good parent, God wants us to become like him in every sense. While it has never been mentioned explicitly, is can be inferred that God went through the same trials that we did to become our god. I don't think this diminishes his godliness, but instead makes the final goal more realistic.

I don't think that our beliefs are different, but rather more intricate and, for lack of a better word, complete. I've barely scratched the surface of Mormon doctrine, which is far bigger and more complex than any religion that I am aware of, but I think I have covered all the objects mentioned in the above quote and then some.

By the way, Books of Mormon can be obtained for free from the church. I mean this as in, don't ever buy one from someone on the off chance that the opportunity arises

 *sits back and hopes for a level-headed discussion*


Arguments about the meaning of agnosticism annoy me for some reason. 

(Crimony this was long. Sorry about that.)
« Last Edit: December 11, 2015, 05:07:36 PM by Admiral Obvious »

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What's the difference between the Terrestrial and Telestial Kingdoms? You didn't cover this (or I don't think you covered it) and it's interesting to see an additional two afterlives instead of along with the typical "Eternal Bliss" and "Eternal Torment".

What's the difference between the Terrestrial and Telestial Kingdoms? You didn't cover this (or I don't think you covered it) and it's interesting to see an additional two afterlives instead of along with the typical "Eternal Bliss" and "Eternal Torment".
Sorry for not covering it; it was getting late and I needed to finish things up. The three kingdoms are compared to the light of the Sun, Moon, then the stars: the Celestial, Terrestrial, and Telestrial respectively. Those that have accepted the Gospel and lived righteously throughout their mortal life and the 1000 years (The Millennium) go to the Celestial. Those that never accepted the Gospel but otherwise lived good lives, or accepted the Gospel but didn't live diligently at all go to the Terrestrial. Those that have committed much or grievous sin, such as one-time murderers or rapists and the like, go to the Telestrial. Riddler-level and otherwise absolutely horrible people go to outer darkness, or Hell. Funny thing is, even the Telestrial kingdom has a glory beyond our comprehension, to the point where one of our previous prophets said that if we knew only of the Telestrial's glory, we'd kill ourselves on the spot, which would immediately set us up to go there. Of course, knowing of the two higher glories is a motivation not to do that.

Note that during the Millenium, which is the time of Jesus's reign and when Satan has no power over man, people still have the chance to accept the Gospel and go to the Celestial Kingdom.

You know, it's really unfortunate that many Christians defame Mormons and think they're not Christian, despite believing in Jesus Christ. It's low in my opinion, especially to call them a cult. I think all religions are cults, including Judaism (which is what I am). I may be a bit biased though because I've known some wonderful Mormons and because I've always respected their values and principles. Then again, I respect all faiths.

You know, it's really unfortunate that many Christians defame Mormons and think they're not Christian
Are you for real? They are not the same thing.

Christianity makes 0 sense

A refuse to vote, since atheism is not a religion/faith.

and thus a new religion was born, refuse to vote spread farther than any other religion in the world.

I wouldn't consider myself part of a religion I'm aware of. I was born into a Christian family, and went to a private catholic school. But, when it comes to breaking down science and religion, I often made up theories to match it with my religion. Like, Genesis, the creation stories, even my teacher says they're just "stories" and shouldn't be taken literally. If facts point to Earth being created over years, that's what I'll believe. I also do believe in the theory of Evolution, humans did not simply appear from nothing. Matching with religion, I believe God actually started what is called "The Big Bang" Theory, as to create an eventual planet along that timeline. And with that, after time, came the Africans who scientists believe were the first humans.

Aren't non-religious and atheism the same thing?

Aren't non-religious and atheism the same thing?

No. Non religious can still be that spiritual or other superstitious bullstuff, or still a possibility of belief but havnt decided yet.

Atheism is a hard no