POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

[Punished Toxicology]

Got tem

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[Punished Toxicology]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1D4Xz-3YE4

[LeisureSuit912]

The counterprotestors should've brought some super soakers

[Karl Marx]

I'm tired so here's a short response:

- Who cares if I make guillotine jokes? If you hold that against me, that's your problem.
- It's very clear that nobody here is going to be nice. I have nothing to gain from being the "bigger man," though I'm honestly not sure what you meant by that because I seriously don't directly insult people all that often.
- I do post evidence for my claims. Almost all of them. It's a bit of a hassle to retrieve a source every time I mention something because, other than the fact that I have already posted it most of the time, I know for a fact it's going to be ignored. Of you want something to be sourced, just ask me for the source. Nobody does this, of course, because they are rarely interesting in humoring my argument.
- You want me to compromise? Give me a reason to comprimise. Come up with a reasonable defense of capitalism that isn't "but socialism bad!".
- My arguments are rarely heavily fallacious, and regardless it does not make my claims any less true, but noted.

You seem to be more upset that I don't like liberals than you are about my actual argument. Consider this: I don't like liberals because they demand compromise with damaging ideologies without giving any reason to do so. They want compromise simply for the comfort of the opposing side. If you want comfort, you're not going to find it with capitalism.

[Foxscotch]

the ideology that was responsible for the dictator's rise

was it really, though? or maybe it was actually the dictator's fault that he became a dictator

[Dreams_Of_Cheese]

Got tem

beach was right. the left cant meme

[Red Spy]

was it really, though? or maybe it was actually the dictator's fault that he became a dictator

ok that's probably fair but it is the one that's forcing people to eat stray dogs and garbage

[Deus Ex]

beach was right. the left cant meme

That was painful to read

[otto-san]

You seem to be more upset that I don't like liberals than you are about my actual argument. Consider this: I don't like liberals because they demand compromise with damaging ideologies without giving any reason to do so. They want compromise simply for the comfort of the opposing side. If you want comfort, you're not going to find it with capitalism.

i don't think liberalism contains "compromise with conservatives" as an ideological trait, i think it actually just contains a lot of the same features you don't like with a leftward slant. personally, i think a lot of your criticisms about capitalist systems are reasonable, but that doesn't mean i think a full-blown socialist or communist society is the best answer. the reason i think the best answer lies somewhere in the middle has nothing to do with compromise, it's because of things that i legitimately believe to be the best choices. a lot of the problems on all extremes exist because of idealistic expectations of human behavior, they expect that everyone will act in a way that's morally just (relative to the respective ideology), not in their own interest, and this is simply not how human behavior functions. fundamentally, animals act based on risk-reward assessments, not on principles and philosophies. they'll react to social pressures and how well they can stomach their own actions, but they won't stop themselves from acting against the interests of society if that's what they need to do in order to obtain a reward within their reach. that's why people with power snowball into gaining greater and greater authority, whether through economic or dictatorial means, and why people who gain power often seem to misuse when left unchecked, and i don't think there's an incredibly efficient or easy structural solution to this problem

[LeisureSuit912]

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beach was right. the left cant meme

Hillary ain't the left tho

[Deus Ex]

Hillary ain't the left tho

The left cannot meme

[Drydess]

the right is much better at memes

[Red Spy]

Hillary ain't the left tho

right she's worse

[IdeTheBird]

I'm not the one you want to convince here. Chances of me ever becoming communist are holding steady at 0% whether or not you improve your debating skills. No, I'm telling you, what you're doing will not and can not convince anybody who already has different political opinions than you, because of things like:

-Putting insults in your posts (You're obviously not the only one to be doing this, but it's nonetheless a problem):
-Posting pure rhetoric that doesn't actually serve any purpose in a debate
And many many other mistakes. Let me put it this way: If your goal is to actually convince anyone, and not just have a bunch of posts that are liberal communist (excuse me) circlejerk material, then you're doing it wrong.

Here's some major things that you absolutely need to follow (That for the most part I've noticed you don't follow) if you want to actually convince people:

- Thoroughly back up everything you say with evidence.
Saying nothing but "Ugh, this is why capitalism will never work." doesn't convince anyone that doesn't already agree with you because a. You haven't provided any evidence that capitalism will never work, b. you haven't provided any evidence that the thing you're referencing is (one of) the reason(s) that capitalism will never work, and c. even if you did provide evidence, you probably did it in the form of a single news article that itself makes very bold claims without actually backing it up. ALL claims require evidence, even if that's in the form of objective, commonly known facts. (Earth is round, 2+2=4, grass is green, etc)

- Be respectful to everyone in the debate.
Be the bigger man. Not only does it make you look better when the other person is hurling around insults, but it helps keep the discussion on-topic. Insults will almost exclusively make any discussion devolve into circlejerking nonsense.

- If you're going to make extreme claims, you need extreme evidence.
Pretty much what it says on the tin. If you're going to make an extreme claim (1+2=4) then you need extreme evidence. This rule is slightly less intuitive if you're not very familiar with it, but generally the more severe the implications of something you're trying to prove, the more extreme your level of evidence needs to be.

- Thoroughly check your logic for fallacies and biases.
Basically, don't make invalid arguments. Place like https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ and http://utminers.utep.edu/omwilliamson/engl1311/fallacies.htm are great for checking if you've committed a logical fallacy.

- Consider alternative viewpoints.
If you want to convince someone else of something, you need to convince yourself first. But you can't just say "oh yeah, this seems like it makes sense, so forget everything that says otherwise." You need to weigh evidence from both sides of the coin, no matter which side you're on, so that you can make a sane conclusion.

- Be introspective.
This ties in closely with the previous point. Not only do you need to be able to weigh evidence to try to make an informed conclusion, but you need to be able to be introspective, to admit when you've gotten something wrong, to be able to apologize, take responsibility, recognize your faults and biases as a human being, etc etc etc. Nobody is without mistakes and we all need to recognize that.

This is not arguing any point other than you need to improve your discussion/debate skills.

Okay holy forget the fact that you took him seriously blew me away, but now you want to write a novel to him? LMAO.

[Ipquarx]

Okay holy forget the fact that you took him seriously blew me away, but now you want to write a novel to him? LMAO.

This advice applies to everybody equally, myself and yourself included.

Plus, why do you think I'm not continuing to reply to him?