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otto-san:
the e-mail issues are a problem that have existed in the state department for a while, even before clinton was SoS. it's a problem, but not necessarily one unique to her (source). that's not said to minimize the issue, it's just to put it into a different perspective: the state department has been loving up for a while

don't know a lot about the clinton foundation or things like that. maybe clinton is a criminal, maybe not, all i know is that i don't want the policies Annoying Orange is advocating for, and in the event that some of those things happen, i would not be happy.

Ipquarx:

--- Quote from: otto-san on June 10, 2016, 07:51:28 PM ---the e-mail issues are a problem that have existed in the state department for a while, even before clinton was SoS. it's a problem, but not necessarily one unique to her (source). that's not said to minimize the issue, it's just to put it into a different perspective: the state department has been loving up for a while
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Yep, they've been loving up for a while, but this instance is particularly heinously bad. It's just too much to ignore anymore.

otto-san:

--- Quote from: Ipquarx on June 10, 2016, 07:53:02 PM ---Yep, they've been loving up for a while, but this instance is particularly heinously bad. It's just too much to ignore anymore.

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ye defo. i bet you the next SoS will probably be under much stricter scrutiny, and will most likely make sure not to end up in clinton's steps lol

LeisureSuit912:
The emails are an issue and she should be punished for that, but unfortunately the Obama endorsement probably means he knows nothing's going to happen.
Both Hillary and Annoying Orange have a huge honesty problem (Annoying Orange's a fraud who can't keep promises and literally switches positions within days), and I already can't trust politicians. I just hate that both of the main presidential candidates are possible criminals.

SeventhSandwich:

--- Quote from: Ipquarx on June 10, 2016, 07:33:34 PM ---And the emails aren't the only thing she's done, despite that being a big part of it, including it being confirmed that her classified emails used for loving drone strikes,

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That seems like a misleading summary of the article.

--- Quote ---The 2011 and 2012 emails were sent via the "low side" -government slang for a computer system for unclassified matters
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--- Quote ---The emails, which did not mention the "CIA," "drones" or details about the militant targets, were written within the often-narrow time frame in which State Department officials had to decide whether or not to object to drone strikes before the CIA pulled the trigger, the officials said, according to the Journal.
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So in other words, she exchanged unclassified emails regarding vague details about drone strikes. That doesn't sound criminal to me, and clearly it doesn't to the State Department either.

--- Quote from: Ipquarx on June 10, 2016, 07:33:34 PM ---which she used through an unsecure phone despite being ordered to use a secure phone to prevent hacking, (Yes, she even dealt with the drones strikes over her insecure phone. The incompetence is real.) which then was promptly hacked and read by at least one person (who now has made a plea deal and has immunity), probably a lot more,

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This is a fair criticism, but I don't think that it's a crime for a government official to own an insecure phone. Correct me if I'm wrong, since this isn't my area of expertise. It doesn't help to show her competence as a leader, but that's definitely not enough to sway me to vote for Annoying Orange.

--- Quote from: Ipquarx on June 10, 2016, 07:33:34 PM ---had her emails run through a third party company without security clearance completely viewable by ordinary citizens or other hackers, (URL at https://www.yahoo.com/news/expert-clinton-emails-could-compromised-third-party-spam-024604076.html ) are confirmed to have put classified US operations in danger.

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I don't understand this article. They're claiming that government officials have identified her emails as 'top secret', but that would definitely result in an indictment since transferring classified documents over personal email is a felony.

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