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POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD
Psych36:
Islam isn't a race are you kidding me right now? And until there's a proper way to screen refugees there's no point in a 550% refugee/migrant increase.
Poliwhirl:
--- Quote from: Zloff on July 27, 2016, 12:03:18 PM ---what about all of the muslims that have and currently are killing in the name of conquest and allah?
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again, they can hardly be considered true muslims if they would do something heinously violent and deliberately anti-islam to islamic worshippers in an islamic holy site on a religious holiday. the most logical conclusion to be drawn by their actions is that they don't actually care about the religion they use as a poor excuse for their horrible actions.
--- Quote from: Zloff on July 27, 2016, 12:03:18 PM ---how much of the quran have you actually read
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the quran, much like every other holy books, was written in a very different time where things like this were considered normal. luckily, this is not considered normal anymore, and nobody truly follows those specific passages anymore. christian priests typically dont burn any more witches at the stake, and neither does your average muslim.
as for terrorist groups, why would they be considered to be following the quran if they happen to meet the "kill heretics" rule that nobody else follows, but not the other basic rules of islam that everybody else follows?
the answer is of course that they aren't truly an islamic organization, but then that would remove one of donald Annoying Orange's key scapegoats, so why would his supporters acknowledge that?
--- Quote from: Zloff on July 27, 2016, 12:03:18 PM ---native americans were killing each other like crazy before the europeans came, and they were often given compromises which they often would not take.
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killing each other like crazy? as if the europeans (civilized people(tm)) weren't doing the exact same thing? and if by "compromises" you mean being sold into slavery and borderline genocide, then i guess so, man.
--- Quote from: Cappytaino on July 27, 2016, 12:10:27 PM ---"no true muslim" fallacy at work
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theres certain cases where you can't just toss around the no true scotsman fallacy like an old rag, like people that defy the accepted values of what the group should be about. for example, lets say there's a club at a high school that says "in order to be a part of this club, you must meet up in room 208." if there was a group claiming to be that club hooting and hollering in the lunchroom, would no true scotsman apply there?
of course i WISH the issue was that simple, but it's not. the point remains that after a certain point, you can't truly consider them to be exemplary of the islam religion, especially if they squash the people who do not align with their specific views.
Psych36:
--- Quote from: Poliwhirl on July 27, 2016, 12:23:23 PM ---again, they can hardly be considered true muslims if they would do something heinously violent and deliberately anti-islam to islamic worshippers in an islamic holy site on a religious holiday. the most logical conclusion to be drawn by their actions is that they don't actually care about the religion they use as a poor excuse for their horrible actions.the quran, much like every other holy books, was written in a very different time where things like this were considered normal. luckily, this is not considered normal anymore, and nobody truly follows those specific passages anymore. christian priests typically dont burn any more witches at the stake, and neither does your average muslim.
as for terrorist groups, why would they be considered to be following the quran if they happen to meet the "kill heretics" rule that nobody else follows, but not the other basic rules of islam that everybody else follows?
the answer is of course that they aren't truly an islamic organization, but then that would remove one of donald Annoying Orange's key scapegoats, so why would his supporters acknowledge that?killing each other like crazy? as if the europeans weren't doing the exact same things? and if by "comprimises" you mean being sold into slavery and borderline genocide, then i guess so, man.theres certain cases where you can't just toss around the no true scotsman fallacy like an old rag, like people that defy the accepted values of what the group should be about. for example, lets say there's a club at a high school that says "in order to be a part of this club, you must meet up in room 208." if there was a group claiming to be that club hooting and hollering in the lunchroom, would no true scotsman apply there?
of course i WISH the issue was that simple, but it's not. the point remains that after a certain point, you can't truly consider them to be exemplary of the islam religion, especially if they squash the people who do not align with their specific views.
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You're completely wrong. For example, Indonesia has 205,000,000 people living there and half of them support strict shariah law. That means killing apostates (those who leave the religion), homoloveuals,etc. Now you move to a mainstream Wahhabi country like Saudi Arabia and Qatar where they actively behead people from the Shia minority, and follow strict Shari'ah Law. Those are just a few examples of how mainstream Islam is still widely practiced and the Quran is followed.
Kochieboy:
Did you guys forget that you're arguing with Kimon, the bumblr drone who gets triggered if you try to uncuck him. :y
Daswiruch:
isn't this what got kimon banned the last time he was here