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POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD
Akio-:
--- Quote from: Kochieboy on July 27, 2016, 12:40:10 PM ---bumblr
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yess its a thing now
otto-san:
--- Quote from: Cappytaino on July 27, 2016, 12:10:27 PM ---"no true muslim" fallacy at work
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it's also a fallacy to assume that something true of the parts is necessarily true of the whole.
the argument isn't just a lazy "ah yes, but those people aren't actually muslim." for it to count as a no true scotsman, you would have to be actively trying to dismiss the existence of real problems by just claiming that the criticism can't apply because it's not a part of the group. i've actually heard the no true scotsman fallacy used in anti-muslim argument as well, saying that the "good muslims" are supposedly not real muslims. it becomes a fallacy when it's used to avoid argumentation by simply excluding cases you don't want to include.
--- Quote from: Kochieboy on July 27, 2016, 12:40:10 PM ---Did you guys forget that you're arguing with Kimon, the bumblr drone who gets triggered if you try to uncuck him. :y
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to be fair kimon isn't really being...unreasonable. like he's not being overly inflammatory and he's actually trying to bring up points. i mean i wouldn't have picked this battle knowing the blockland forums but like...come on dude.
Psych36:
--- Quote from: otto-san on July 27, 2016, 12:46:34 PM ---it's also a fallacy to assume that something true of the parts is necessarily true of the whole.
the argument isn't just a lazy "ah yes, but those people aren't actually muslim." for it to count as a no true scotsman, you would have to be actively trying to dismiss the existence of real problems by just claiming that the criticism can't apply because it's not a part of the group. i've actually heard the no true scotsman fallacy used in anti-muslim argument as well, saying that the "good muslims" are supposedly not real muslims. it becomes a fallacy when it's used to avoid argumentation by simply excluding cases you don't want to include.
to be fair kimon isn't really being...unreasonable. like he's not being overly inflammatory and he's actually trying to bring up points. i mean i wouldn't have picked this battle knowing the blockland forums but like...come on dude.
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Nah, he lost the argument the moment he called Tezuni a tribal when Islam isn't even a race but a set of ideas.
Jairo:
--- Quote from: Drydess on July 27, 2016, 12:46:06 PM --- yea lol, several people pm'd baddie about it and the alt check was right
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yeah I found where the checks happened. what a revelation
otto-san:
--- Quote from: Psych36 on July 27, 2016, 12:51:25 PM ---
Nah, he lost the argument the moment he called Tezuni a tribal when Islam isn't even a race but a set of ideas.
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probably mostly because using the word "islamophobic" unironically is a really dumb idea. ofc people also don't take accusations of prejudice seriously because they aren't actual arguments. which is probably also why that's not the focus anymore