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| otto-san:
--- Quote from: Psych36 on July 27, 2016, 10:27:13 PM --- I'm not arguing on how people feel about it i'm simply stating that it's legal and many lawyers think so. --- End quote --- well, everything that the supreme court has made illegal has also had many lawyers say that it was legal at the time, because that's how the judicial system works. people argue different interpretations of the law, and an impartial party decides which argument is most compelling. also ipquarx was giving you legal reasoning, not talking about how people feel. that part was in response to bisjac |
| Psych36:
--- Quote from: Ipquarx on July 27, 2016, 10:28:20 PM ---Lawyers disagree on things all the time, because they're human beings. They're all subject to the same biases we are. What matters is what's said in the constitution and previous supreme court rulings, which clearly indicate that no, it is not legal, it is unconstitutional. --- End quote --- Okay, but several times throughout American History the Supreme Court has has permitted foreign nationals to be excluded to the confines of the constitution. It has upheld laws for foreign nationals to not be permitted to owning land and it can bar foreign nationals from becoming teachers and police officers. The point is it can be done and there's plenty of legality behind it. If the next day President Obama wanted to ban all Nigerians from coming to the USA then it's certainly possible for him to do so. |
| Ipquarx:
--- Quote from: Psych36 on July 27, 2016, 10:33:25 PM --- Okay, but several times throughout American History the Supreme Court has has permitted foreign nationals to be excluded to the confines of the constitution. It has upheld laws for foreign nationals to not be permitted to owning land and it can bar foreign nationals from becoming teachers and police officers. The point is it can be done and there's plenty of legality behind it. If the next day President Obama wanted to ban all Nigerians from coming to the USA then it's certainly possible for him to do so. --- End quote --- Let's say I believed all those things happened. I'm too lazy to ask you for a source. None of that involves religion, it involves nationality, but not religion, and that's why it's allowed. Nationality is not protected by the US constitution. |
| Psych36:
--- Quote from: Ipquarx on July 27, 2016, 10:39:06 PM ---Let's say I believed all those things happened. I'm too lazy to ask you for a source. None of that involves religion, it involves nationality, but not religion, and that's why it's allowed. Nationality is not protected by the US constitution. --- End quote --- I can provide you a source and there are several other examples. The Courts can still uphold a ban on the immigration of Muslims till a further time where refugees can be screened better. http://scholarship.law.georgetown.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1302&context=facpub |
| Ipquarx:
--- Quote from: Psych36 on July 27, 2016, 10:44:17 PM ---The Courts can still uphold a ban on the immigration of Muslims till a further time where refugees can be screened better. --- End quote --- Even if that was the case (Your source only covers whether or not constitutional rights apply to foreign persons, which is again irrelevant; we're talking about laws that are themselves unconstitutional here, not citizens) they can be screened better right now. |
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