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Cappytaino:
I think that all of you in this thread just posting stuff like "looooool" with no evidence apart from what you believe to be "conventional wisdom" are loving tools. Logic or gtfo. Quit the ad-hominem horsestuff.

national socialistsm was not quite the far right movement that you all are attempting to generalize it as. It draws majorly from both sides of the political spectrum.

For instance, one of the key tenets of Fascism, use of violence or intimidation to silence opposing viewpoints, is more often associated with radical progressivism, at least in American politics today (see: Black Lives Matter as a huge example, in Ferguson, Dallas, Baltimore, etc.). I don't recall a violent right-wing protest on the scale of any of those in the past five or ten years.

national socialistsm does draw from right wing policies as well as left, but people are often very confused and just assume National Socialism = right wing.

Another thing going on today is the infiltration and subversion of the Media by the Clinton campaign. It's something straight out of the USSR, or if you'd prefer to still connect this brown townogy to national socialists, very Goebbels-esque.

The issue isn't as black and white as you all make it seem, it is much more grey, and spouting baseless conjecture in place of facts and reason is useless if you're trying to persuade.

Magus:
This stems from the Horseshoe Effect, the concept that extremist ideologies on both sides (i.e. the alt right and left) are more similar to each other than to more moderate stances.

If you're allowed to accuse somebody of mass censorship without being censored, you might be wrong.

Nonnel:

--- Quote from: Cappytaino on September 02, 2016, 01:39:08 PM ---For instance, one of the key tenets of Fascism, use of violence or intimidation to silence opposing viewpoints, is more often associated with radical progressivism, at least in American politics today (see: Black Lives Matter as a huge example, in Ferguson, Dallas, Baltimore, etc.). I don't recall a violent right-wing protest on the scale of any of those in the past five or ten years.

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intimidation is decisively authoritarian, not right or left leaning. fascists generally advocate for mixed economies
and of course saying that "national socialism" means that they were socialist because it's in the name is just ignorant.

LeisureSuit912:

--- Quote from: Cappytaino on September 02, 2016, 01:39:08 PM ---national socialistsm was not quite the far right movement that you all are attempting to generalize it as. It draws majorly from both sides of the political spectrum.

For instance, one of the key tenets of Fascism, use of violence or intimidation to silence opposing viewpoints, is more often associated with radical progressivism, at least in American politics today (see: Black Lives Matter as a huge example, in Ferguson, Dallas, Baltimore, etc.). I don't recall a violent right-wing protest on the scale of any of those in the past five or ten years.

national socialistsm does draw from right wing policies as well as left, but people are often very confused and just assume National Socialism = right wing.

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Ask any contemporary historian if national socialistsm was a left or right wing ideology and they would classify it as a far-right ideology for four reasons:

1. They attacked anyone on the left side of the spectrum
2. They formed alliances with the traditional right in Germany (including the Chancellor currently in power before Riddler's rise to power), along with other right-wing governments.
3. They were vehemently nationalist, which is primarily right-wing behavior.
4. They opposed class struggle.
5. They were focused on social order rather than personal freedom.

Basically, the only left element of the national socialists is the name.

And how you're describing the BLM protests, that's authoritarianism, not fascism. And authoritarianism belongs to both sides of the political spectrum.

Cappytaino:

--- Quote from: Nonnel on September 02, 2016, 02:00:15 PM ---intimidation is decisively authoritarian, not right or left leaning. fascists generally advocate for mixed economies
and of course saying that "national socialism" means that they were socialist because it's in the name is just ignorant.

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if you need a tl;dr that's way oversimplified,

Third Reich policy economically = left socially = right

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