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| beachbum111111:
--- Quote from: Tactical Nuke on September 20, 2016, 10:57:06 PM ---Maybe it's because we left after we beat their asses and we barely tried to make them like us. --- End quote --- Actually you tried to make them EXACTLY like america. Thats why Japan is like what it is right now. |
| Magus:
--- Quote from: Tactical Nuke on September 20, 2016, 10:57:06 PM ---we were in japan at the end of wwii and korea after that war oh and don't forget germany you could call that "imperialism" oh but wait they aren't chopping heads off and raping women why is that Maybe it's because we left after we beat their asses and we barely tried to make them like us. Look up the Golden Arches Theory and you'll see why Germany, Japan and Korea are the way they are now. You can even take that back all the way to the Philippines in the 1800s. Only real reason the country's forgeted up right now is because of Rodrigo Duterte. Otherwise, they're somewhat ok. --- End quote --- Clearly not everybody seems to know what Imperialism was. Imperialism was going into foreign lands and conquering them for the sole purpose of extracting resources. Germany and Japan were themselves Imperialist powers. Areas that were affected by Imperialism include the entirety of the Americas, almost all of Africa, the Middle East, Southeast Asia, basically everywhere except Europe. Again turning to Germany and Japan, the U.S. was throwing around loads of cash under the Marshall Plan to rebuild those nations. As for the Middle East, back in WW1, the arabs were promised sovereignty by the British in exchange for military aid against the Ottomans. At the end, the British betrayed them and kept them in the Empire. At the end of WW2, people sitting in rooms far away from the lands in question drew lines on maps, forming the 'stans. Afghanistan, Iran, and Iraq were the richest, most developed countries in the Middle East. Then the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan, destroying infrastructure, demolishing the society. The U.S. gave support and weapons to this guy named Osama bin Laden who fought the Soviets, but no money or presence for reconstruction. Iran hates the U.S. because the CIA overthrew their democratic government and installed a dictator. Later, Saddam and a U.S. invasion happened to Iraq, leaving Iran, a country that hates us, as the dominant power. And that is why the Middle East a) hates us and b) is so unstable. Notanedit: I reread your post before posting, no idea what you're trying to say about imperialism, reconstruction, and Japan and Germany. Here's this history dump anyway. Enjoy. |
| Tactical Nuke:
--- Quote from: Magus on September 20, 2016, 11:56:25 PM ----snip- --- End quote --- The plan in Iraq was to take out Saddam and hold free elections, turning the country in our favor. Saddam and the Baathists were thugs who had gassed the Kurds and had done stuff even worse. Iraqis did not like Saddam. The plan would have gone swimmingly if not for our abrupt depart from Iraq. If it had worked in Japan, where everyone hated us, and Germany, where a lot of people hated us, then Iraq was just another routine conversion for us. On a slight tangent, I've noticed that a lot of people who criticize Bush for Iraq don't ever bring up the bombs Obama dropped on Libya which contributed to Muammar Gadhafi's dethronement and execution. |
| Red Spy:
--- Quote from: Tactical Nuke on September 21, 2016, 12:06:17 AM ---On a slight tangent, I've noticed that a lot of people who criticize Bush for Iraq don't ever bring up the bombs Obama dropped on Libya which contributed to Muammar Gadhafi's dethronement and execution. --- End quote --- People default to Bush if you harshly criticize Obama Sorta like "But Annoying Orange!!" |
| Magus:
--- Quote from: Tactical Nuke on September 21, 2016, 12:06:17 AM ---The plan in Iraq was to take out Saddam and hold free elections, turning the country in our favor. Saddam and the Baathists were thugs who had gassed the Kurds and had done stuff even worse. Iraqis did not like Saddam. The plan would have gone swimmingly if not for our abrupt depart from Iraq. If it had worked in Japan, where everyone hated us, and Germany, where a lot of people hated us, then Iraq was just another routine conversion for us. On a slight tangent, I've noticed that a lot of people who criticize Bush for Iraq don't ever bring up the bombs Obama dropped on Libya which contributed to Muammar Gadhafi's dethronement and execution. --- End quote --- Right, I forgot the Kurds. There's a metaphor in here somewhere. They got particularly shafted since there's no Kurdistan. Unfortunately for Iraqi democracy, they have several ethnic groups that hate each other (such as the Kurds). As for the Gaddafi thing... I got nothing. Look at the current state of the place... actually, has it been in the news at all besides being a place where I.S.I.S. has some presence? Maybe it's because Libya wasn't as significant to the balance of power. On a third note, as my International Current Events teacher noted: First war with Iraq had a clear goal: keep them out of Kuwait. Second war (and second Bush): invade Iraq, topple Hussein, and then what? Recent politics seems to have been lacking "and then what." |
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