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IkeTheGeneric

October 21, 2016, 03:03:15 PM
Quote from: LeisureSuit912 on October 21, 2016, 03:01:39 PM
Lol who cares

Logically speaking, we can start by saying that beachbum exerted some minimum amount of care in order to post the image, and on average there is some sum of forumers who typically align with beachbum's political humor. I can safely assess that there are at least some people who care

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beachbum111111

October 21, 2016, 03:35:08 PM
Quote from: SeventhSandwich on October 21, 2016, 12:18:05 PM
and I'm not willing to expend that kind of effort to defend what's basically just established economic fact.

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If there are 11million illegals (which is a number that has been around a decade and they haven't changed it, cause nobody knows how many illegals are there)
Cost of illegal immigrants to taxpayers (welfare, healthcare, education, housing, etc) = more than 100billion dollars
Amount of taxes payed by illegals = around 10billion dollars, and now, thanks to Obama, they can even get TAX RETURNS
So, it costs 10 times more to keep illegals inside the US
Sources
http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-united-states-taxpayers
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-01/study-undocumented-immigrants-pay-billions-in-taxes
http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2016/04/13/irs-admits-it-encourages-illegals-to-steal-social-security-numbers-for-taxes/#241ba8a5237a
The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013) $113b/yr
https://archive.is/aefO9
Taxes:
The Fiscal Cost of Unlawful Immigrants and Amnesty to the U.S. Taxpayer $54.3b/yr
https://archive.is/T7u8p
Education:
Educating illegal immigrants costs $44.5b Annually
https://archive.is/JuVJp
The cost to educate unaccompanied minor illegal immigrants over $761 million
https://archive.is/g0Vq5
How Illegal Immigrants Can Pay for College $32m Federal Scholarships, In State Tuitions
https://archive.is/HLRIz
Healthcare:
$4.3b/yr Care Costs for Undocumented Immigrants Absorbed by Hospitals
https://archive.is/ficX6
Illegal Immigrants Account for $10.7 Billion of Nation’s Health Care Costs, Data Show
https://archive.is/JOlTt
Immigrant Labor:
Mass Migration Driving Down Wages
https://archive.is/0igxb
Increasing the Supply of Labor Through Immigration: Measuring the Impact on Native-born Workers -4%wages/yr
https://archive.is/ZeuQX
All Employment Growth Since 2000 Went to Immigrants
https://archive.is/MdITh
Immigrant Entrepeneurs: 1/4 of new business hire 1/2 as many employees as Native Entrepeneurs
https://archive.is/s0HPZ

Furthermore, this economic argument does not take into account the social costs of immigration, which also have a soft negative economic effect. This includes dramatic reductions in average IQ of society, quality of life and human development index. For example, Muslims make up 5% of the population, but occupy 45% of the high security prison population. And it's not because the police are tribal.
State multiculturalism has failed, says David Cameron
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12371994
Immigration from EU costs British taxpayers £3 million A DAY
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/16/immigration-from-europe-cost-the-british-taxpayer-3m-a-day-last/
Multiculturalism is a sham, says Angela Merkel
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/12/14/angela-merkel-multiculturalism-is-a-sham/
Nicolas Sarkozy declares multiculturalism had failed
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/8317497/Nicolas-Sarkozy-declares-multiculturalism-had-failed.html
Societal trust is negatively affected by ethnic diversity
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-9477.2012.00289.x/abstract
High trust societies are characterised by ethnic homogeneity.
http://esr.oxfordjournals.org/content/21/4/311.short
In longitudinal perspective, an increase in immigration is related to a decrease in social trust.
http://sf.oxfordjournals.org/content/93/3/1211.abstract
Good fences make good neighbours. The case of Switzerland as an example of 'workable' multiculturalism.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0095660
The results show that heterogeneity hampers between-group cooperation at the dyadic level.
http://spq.sagepub.com/content/78/4/324.short
https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1409/97/1409979695906.gif (problems uploading images for some reason, CM what did you do?
BERLIN—The tidal wave of refugees that crashed through Germany’s doors last year has long turned to a trickle, but the costs of the inflow will remain a burden on the country for years, budget figures released on Friday showed.
The German finance ministry expects to spend €77.6 billion ($86.2 billion) over the next four years feeding, housing and training refugees as well as helping their home countries to stem the flow, according to updated budget estimates for the period from 2017 to 2020. Adding budgeted costs for the current year would bring the total to €93.6 billion between by 2020.
Yearly cost estimates are set to remain broadly stable over the years even though arrivals have slowed considerably—a testament to the government’s low expectations about its ability to integrate the newcomers, most of them from the Middle-East and poorly trained, into its economy.
For German taxpayers, the most expensive aspect of the crCIA—coming at a cost of €24 billion between 2017 and 2020—will be to cover for the social benefits granted to migrants after they obtain asylum, This cost will nearly double from €4.2 billion in 2017 to €8.2 in 2020. This is because the government expects asylum seekers to continue coming to Germany—for instance via family reunification—and because those granted asylum are entitled to higher benefits than applicants.
Government officials sought to put the figures in a positive light, saying that the country’s prudent fiscal course in recent years meant it now had ample reserves to tackle the immigration challenge. The data released on Friday showed Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble aimed to maintain a balanced budget in coming years despite the additional financial burden.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/germany-puts-migration-related-costs-at-over-86-billion-over-next-four-years-1467392402
Over £64 billion+ on rapefugees. Poor Germany.

http://www.euronews.com/2016/04/13/sweden-forced-to-double-its-spending-on-immigration/
The amount allocated will rise to 50 billion crowns, around $6.2bn in 2016
The amount is a huge increase on earlier estimates which totaled 19 billion crowns.
The increased spending on immigration will cover higher costs related to existing measures, such as housing and benefits.
http://www.euractiv.com/section/global-europe/news/sweden-sees-costs-of-migration-crCIA-almost-quadruple/
Sweden now thinks migration will cost the country 56bn Swedish crowns (€6.1bn) per year until 2020. The previous estimate was 15bn crowns (€1.6bn).
I can tell you what the Police Chief (ret.) of Malmo, Torsten Elofsson says about immigrants and how well they're integrating. With 42 years of policing experience, he has some perspective on the question.
“Living here you can see a lot of the crimes are committed by people originating abroad. Look at the unemployment here – you have 15 per cent in Malmo, which is twice the rest of Sweden”.
“Of the number of people arrested and dragged into police stations, the majority are of foreign origin to be honest. There is an over-representation of violent crimes committed by people from other countries”.
“There is a debate happening, you see all of the refugees coming… but we don’t have apartments, housing for them. How do we provide schooling for them? And then you see the costs. There is a feeling we can’t afford an influx of immigrants”.
“We have a number of no-go-zones in Sweden and they are expanding… police can go to these places, but you have to take precautions.
“Years ago you could go with two officers, no problem. Now you have to send four officers and two cars – if the fire brigade want to go, they have to take a police escort. They throw stones and try to stop the fireman from putting out fires.
“They sabotage the police cars. You can’t leave them unguarded – when you come back to it you find the windows smashed and the tyres deflated."
“We have a lot of children coming to Sweden alone. Most of them are actually teenagers, between 15 and 18, and that is worrying. If we can’t get them integrated into Swedish society, that is a huge recruitment base for criminal gangs and CIA [The Islamic State]. I am concerned with the lack of integration, we have not succeeded to well at this”.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/18/interview-retired-swedish-police-chief-says-malmo-crime-skyrocketing-due-uncontrolled-immigration-no-go-zones/

Master Matthew²

October 21, 2016, 04:02:02 PM
Quote from: IkeTheGeneric on October 21, 2016, 12:15:57 PM
I'm 15 and I'm part of the alt-right!
17, and I don't do this arbitrary name system bs.

IkeTheGeneric

October 21, 2016, 04:03:45 PM
I'm 17 and I align with Annoying Orange

Master Matthew²

October 21, 2016, 04:07:33 PM
Quote from: IkeTheGeneric on October 21, 2016, 04:03:45 PM
I'm 17 and I align with Annoying Orange
Oh wow now to point out the equivalent of the 'current year' argument.
I'm 'Low Age' and I am 'opionion/fact i disagree with'.

IkeTheGeneric

October 21, 2016, 04:09:09 PM
I don't know why anyone would vote for second party when I'm voting first party, what a bunch of loons. Don't they know about those scandals I haven't really looked into?

Decepticon

October 21, 2016, 05:08:42 PM
as for the ongoing refugee discussion, i think 60 minutes did a pretty well session on it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42jpuXJPk0w (ignore the title, it still shows the documentation, that's just a scene in the video)

also i believe someone was asking about the no-go zones that i think tony mentioned earlier?

edit;
Quote from: Magus on October 20, 2016, 05:38:06 PM
Quote from: Lord Tony® on October 20, 2016, 05:27:39 PM
Pretty sure sweden has 25 no go zones thanks to refugees.
Couldn't find any reliable sources.
the no-go zones are talked about in the documentation above, as well, and there's actually up to 55

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-go_area#Sweden

there's also a site called swedenreport.org that did an article about it, but it's domain has expired recently
« Last Edit: October 21, 2016, 05:17:45 PM by Decepticon »

beachbum111111

October 21, 2016, 05:11:21 PM

Tezuni 2.0

October 21, 2016, 08:33:30 PM

Nonnel

October 22, 2016, 02:01:19 AM
Quote from: beachbum111111 on October 21, 2016, 05:11:21 PM
https://twitter.com/ObamaMalik/status/788928636996886528
We elected in the wrong Obama
how much loving money was needed to swing that
he even said that he'd love his kenyan friends to immigrate to the US under Annoying Orange. does he not understand Annoying Orange's policies
and he said gaddafi was a good leader holy stuff how have i never seen this

beachbum111111

October 22, 2016, 02:03:36 AM
Quote from: Nonnel on October 22, 2016, 02:01:19 AM
he even said that he'd love his kenyan friends to immigrate to the US under Annoying Orange. does he not understand Annoying Orange's policies

Yeah didn't you know Annoying Orange is obviously completely against any and all immigration

McZealot

October 22, 2016, 02:04:20 AM
The funniest part of this election has been watching the right systematically disqualify anything that disagrees with them as a valid median of communication. John Oliver, then Politifact, The New York Times, and more.

Nonnel

October 22, 2016, 02:09:27 AM
Quote from: beachbum111111 on October 22, 2016, 02:03:36 AM
Yeah didn't you know Annoying Orange is obviously completely against any and all immigration
i'm sure this muslim kenyan man doesn't have any muslim kenyan friends who he could possibly be referring to

beachbum111111

October 22, 2016, 02:10:53 AM
Quote from: McZealot on October 22, 2016, 02:04:20 AM
The funniest part of this election has been watching the right systematically disqualify anything that disagrees with them as a valid median of communication. John Oliver, then Politifact, The New York Times, and more.

As if the left doesn't do the same thing with Breitbart, cnn, and Fox News. Get off your high horse.

Quote from: Nonnel on October 22, 2016, 02:09:27 AM
i'm sure this muslim kenyan man doesn't have any muslim kenyan friends who he could possibly be referring to

Okay??? Annoying Oranges not against muslims or kenyans immigrating.

Nonnel

October 22, 2016, 02:15:05 AM
Quote from: beachbum111111 on October 22, 2016, 02:10:53 AM
Okay??? Annoying Oranges not against muslims or kenyans immigrating.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-Annoying Orange-calls-total-complete-shutdown-muslims-entering/story?id=35631255
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/evolution-donald-Annoying Oranges-muslim-immigration-ban/story?id=40932562
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/24/politics/donald-Annoying Orange-muslim-ban-election-2016/

https://www.donaldjAnnoying Orange.com/press-releases/donald-j.-Annoying Orange-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration
first sentence.
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