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Best thing that's happened this entire presidency

nice dismissive post moron
Yeah god forbid I don't take this post seriously:
imagine being so handicapped you name your account after the man responsible for most of the 20th centuries atrocitys and support his ideals without remorse
What, do you think Karl Marx went around and killed all those kulaks with his bare hands? He got up and started beating the stuff out of millions of people, singlehandedly?

In addendum, most people feel a basic instinct to return a favor in whatever way they can
They dont.



Best thing that's happened this entire presidency
MotherClucker*

They dont.
How about this then: If you have no intention to give anything back to society, despite being fully able to, people won't respect you.

How about this then: If you have no intention to give anything back to society, despite being fully able to, people won't respect you.
This might surprise you, but people can and will do it anyway. Abuse of welfare is real, if overblown. Respect doesn't matter to some people, which makes it a really weak link to base your government off of.

If you have no intention to give anything back to society, despite being fully able to, people won't respect you.

People probably wouldn't care unless they were forced to by some ulterior force.

How about this then: If you have no intention to give anything back to society, despite being fully able to, people won't respect you.

so? i get free stuff and everything i could ever need from this socialist utopia, so why do things that aren't the most enjoyable possible option for me

I'm not really sure what to tell you. If you were allowed to pursue any career path you wanted to, you wouldn't have any reason not to pursue it. It wouldn't be unreasonable to say that everybody wants to do a job that they enjoy. If there was nothing stopping you from doing what you enjoy, you would likely do it. You wouldn't be confined to just one career / job, either. Remember, there would be a significant decrease in workload thanks to an incentive to automate basic tasks, and an increase in available labor due to the fact that nobody would be denied from a job, as it doesn't harm profit like it would under capitalism.

Of you want a quick illustration of this, I'll give a personal anecdote. I'm interested in various fields, and would enjoy exploring all of them, were such a thing reasonable in a capitalist economy. I also like doing physical labor jobs, because working out at a gym is boring to me. I get to do something productive with my time, as well as staying active. I have the potential to contribute in a lot of ways, and so would everybody else.

Keep in mind two additional things:
Laziness is often the product of demoralization and despair. People often give up on pursuing a career when they are denied countless times, and subsequently become unhappy. This leads into my next point. Being unproductive and secluded makes people unhappy. Humans are social creatures, and social cooperation will become the main function of society. There is a sincere sense of fulfillment involved in contributing to society, or rather, knowingly aiding the survival of yourself and the society that helps sustain you. I don't know if I can emphasize this enough, but purpose is what drives motivation. It's how we evolved. The groups that stuck together and cooperated to survive are the ones that formed the first civilizations. Monetary incentives are the product of being forced to adapt to conditions under capitalism, and rarely work as well as the more natural alternative of purpose-driven incentives.

The desire to break away from mandated work hours, annoying bosses, and work that makes you unhappy is something that most people could relate to. These are explicitly the product of a late capitalist "wage slavery" state. What you are experiencing is not the desire to stop working and lay at home all day, as this society would have you believe in order to shame you, but rather the desire to take control of your own labor. It is the desire to do a job that you want to do, not because you are contractually obligated to do it, but because you enjoy doing it. Because you are able to do it on your own accord, and you enjoy that sense of autonomy.
« Last Edit: August 10, 2017, 01:36:45 PM by Karl Marx »



the key difference here is that in a capitalist country the standard of living and recreation i have is directly related to how much i work and produce, while under a socialist regime i get no reward from spending hours working other than whatever ~~~~~~social validation~~~~~~ falls out of it

Grimlock if you want a tl;dr here you go

"99% of people do not want to sit around doing absolutely nothing with their lives because that's loving depressing"
the key difference here is that in a capitalist country the standard of living and recreation i have is directly related to how much i work and produce, while under a socialist regime i get no reward from spending hours working other than whatever ~~~~~~social validation~~~~~~ falls out of it
I don't know if I can emphasize this enough, but purpose is what drives motivation. It's how we evolved.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgKKPQiRRag

Like I said. This isn't leftist mumbo jumbo, it's quite literally human nature. Autonomy and contribution are inherently satisfying.
« Last Edit: August 10, 2017, 01:42:23 PM by Karl Marx »

then it's awfully strange then that communist dystopias usually seem to enforce labor under penalty of law and disappear underperforming managers and workers innit

but i'm sure those gulags were completely coincidental and had nothing to do with an authoritarian regime forcing its citizens to work to death over the course of years so that they could maintain their impoverished living standards and technological inferiority

what exactly is the solution if 90% of people only find "validation and purpose" in painting? are you saying an economy comprised of nothing but painters and photographers is going to succeed?