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do you think north korea will follow through with its promises?

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China is against anyone from attacking North Korea and they are against North Korea bombing anyone.

tony china and russia have agreed on sanctions

nobody is trading with them/will trade with them

china doesn't give enough stuffs about north korea anymore, they wont help the NK in any wars they start

also is this the north korea general



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« Last Edit: March 12, 2016, 04:33:44 PM by kahnuu »

China is against anyone from attacking North Korea and they are against North Korea bombing anyone.
does everything go in one ear and out the other for you

tony china and russia have agreed on sanctions

nobody is trading with them/will trade with them

china doesn't give enough stuffs about north korea anymore, they wont help the NK in any wars they start

This is true, but I believe China said they'll intervene if anyone invades North Korea unless it's China themselves.

This is true, but I believe China said they'll intervene if anyone invades North Korea unless it's China themselves.
china's previously ambiguous statement has turned into "if anyone jeopardizes the peace on the peninsula, china will intervene"

so if it's the united states invading without chinese help, china will go against the states
if north korea is invading the south, china will invade the north

this is one of the first times china's thrown its geopolitical and military weight into a crCIA

china's previously ambiguous statement has turned into "if anyone jeopardizes the peace on the peninsula, china will intervene"

so if it's the united states invading without chinese help, china will go against the states
if north korea is invading the south, china will invade the north
Thank you for clarifying that lol

china's previously ambiguous statement has turned into "if anyone jeopardizes the peace on the peninsula, china will intervene"

so if it's the united states invading without chinese help, china will go against the states
if north korea is invading the south, china will invade the north

this is one of the first times china's thrown its geopolitical and military weight into a crCIA

what would happen if the south or the states does military practices or something and china would see it as preparing for an invasion and ''jeapordizing peace on the peninsula''.

what would happen if the south or the states does military practices or something and china would see it as preparing for an invasion and ''jeapordizing peace on the peninsula''.
Aren't we already doing that though?

But I would imagine if China feels like we're jeopardizing the peace, then
china will go against the states

what would happen if the south or the states does military practices or something and china would see it as preparing for an invasion and ''jeapordizing peace on the peninsula''.
china has already condemned the united states for upping the ante on its military exercises as putting unnecessary pressure on pyongyang ("egging it on", so to speak). russia shares similar convictions, so the three powers are still at odds about how to approach this situation when before all three were pretty much on the same side

when the nuclear talks happen, we'll see how attitudes change, but if the US is the preemptive striker here without reasonable cause, we can expect a chinese hike across the yalu. otherwise, china's apprehensive to being the preemptive power here

Aren't we already doing that though?

But I would imagine if China feels like we're jeopardizing the peace, then

lets try to theory craft here

Let's say China believes the United States/South Korea is planning an attack on the North, and China/NK declares war on both countries.

What would be the expected outcome? Would the war stop on the first day? Who would win? What would happen?

lets try to theory craft here

Let's say China believes the United States/South Korea is planning an attack on the North, and China/NK declares war on both countries.

What would be the expected outcome? Would the war stop on the first day? Who would win? What would happen?
The United States would tell China they are cray.

Unless, of course, South Korea is immediately invaded by North Korea.

lets try to theory craft here

Let's say China believes the United States/South Korea is planning an attack on the North, and China/NK declares war on both countries.

What would be the expected outcome? Would the war stop on the first day? Who would win? What would happen?
I don't think China will go to war in the style you're thinking. Not over North Korea.
They'll send troops into NK and fend off the US/SK.

But it's not worth China invading SK or the US, because then all of their allies (UK, Japan, France, Germany, Australia, etc) get involved.
And likewise, the US/SK won't invade China over the Chinese defending NK.

this just in, "missing 'marine misfires malfunctioning missile, many martyred"

lets try to theory craft here

Let's say China believes the United States/South Korea is planning an attack on the North, and China/NK declares war on both countries.

What would be the expected outcome? Would the war stop on the first day? Who would win? What would happen?
there's a lot of implications that goes along with this scenario, the first of which being that china would declare war on a presumption that the united states/rok would be preparing to conduct an assault. china is infamously known for being pragmatic in both bark and bite, especially with its greatest trade partner. in that scenario, I wouldn't expect china to declare war until there are foreign boots across the DMZ

assuming china preemptively declares war on the states, however, the united states has the ability to invoke article 5 of the nato constitution ("an attack on one is an attack on all")--thereby crippling the world economy and plunging the world not only into world war 3 but also into the second great depression. the world's two greatest economies (one a consumer, one a producer) and militaries would finally come to blows, surely inciting civil resistance in both theaters. the draft would most likely be invoked to negate the chinese 4:1 population advantage, and you can imagine the outcry regarding that kind of ridiculousness

assuming china preemptively declares war on the states and the states don't invoke article 5, south korea and japan would still be called into war as per their constitutions (and some sections of seato, the asian equivalent of nato). china's superior geopolitical position would give it a humongous leg up in movement and attack--something witnessed during their first venture across the yalu in the original korean war. even back in the 50s, china's comparably inferior military pushed UN-US forces completely out of north korea and then comfortably held them right where they wanted them. with china's military equivalence to the states now, this would probably end up being the third instance of an atomic weapon being used in combat, although probably not by either of the giants; instead by china's lackey, north korea, who would at this point pepper seoul with all they've got to annihilate the 1/5 of the ROK's population that lives there and inflict some irreversible damage, even if china pulls out eventually because of the economic and diplomatic repercussion incurred by such a drastic war

you do have to remember that both the united states and china aren't stupid. they know conflict between them will only end in ruin not just between them but for the world. if any warring happens between them, it would be by air and limitedly by foot. no extended conflict would ever result

tl;dr ww3 second great depression

Quote from: source
http://www.wptv.com/news/world/seoul-number-of-north-korean-cyberattacks-doubled-in-month

south korea's spy agency has reported that north korean cyberattacks on seoul have doubled in the past month with over 300 phones of officials being hacked and 40 of those hackings being successful, stealing personal information and messages

additionally, kim jong-un has apparently ordered for another nuclear test, but hasn't designated when it should occur