How do you imagine Annoying Orange's wall?

[Lord Tony®]

Anyone remember that southpark episode where time immigrants come back to the past looking for work because there is no jobs for them in the future. Then they start loving up the past turning the past into stuff.

The issue here is mexico and when all these people start flooding to america they aren't making it better. Mexico needs to be fixed so they stop trying to escape to America in mass droves.

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[SeventhSandwich]

Sure! Vote for a man who will make things free for a portion of your life savings.

If you're talking about a 'portion' in the literal sense, then the government already does that. You pay a portion of your life-savings in the form of taxes and get free roads, railroads, waste management, law enforcement, militias, public schools (K-12), and prisons (among many other things that I can't name off the top of my head).

You're probably overestimating how much it will cost the average person to make public college completely free. On top of preexisting government subsidies and Pell Grants, it would cost around $40 billion a year (~6% of what we spend on national defense every year). With 128 million taxpayers in the US, the average contribution will be $312.50.

Of course I'm probably missing some of the finesse associated with how taxes are calculated, but the point being is that it's not prohibitively expensive.

Anyone remember that southpark episode where time immigrants come back to the past looking for work because there is no jobs for them in the future. Then they start loving up the past turning the past into stuff.

The issue here is mexico and when all these people start flooding to america they aren't making it better. Mexico needs to be fixed so they stop trying to escape to America in mass droves.

I mean, they are making our country better. Illegal immigrants do not cause a disproportionate amount of crime, and they contribute human capital to our economy.

But regardless, you're right that the reason they're coming over here is because of issues within their own country. You should go over there and start some of Chavez-style movement against government corruption. Tell them you came up with the idea while watching South Park.

[-Jetz-]

Like it or not, the American immigration system is not navigable for the majority of non-rich Mexicans. If the job market in your border town is so stuff that your only viable choice is to work up in the US, then you're going to choose to do it. If you were in the same situation that they were, you would agree that supporting your family and putting food on the table is far more important than respecting US immigration laws. We don't need to villainize them because they're just making the same rational choices that we would.

True, but if we add a death-wall into the equation, that choice will become a lot less rational for them. Not like anyone here is under any obligation to make life easier for them. It's the same "I recognize you are in a tough situation but at the same time I don't actually care enough to help you out" mentality most people will adopt while walking by homeless beggars on the streets.

[Lord Tony®]

If a business can pay an illegal 1 dollar an hour why would they pay a legal 10 dollars an hour?

It's killing the job market for actual legal citizens.

Same stuff with overseas sweatshops. Make a stuff ton of goods with cheap labor and then sell it for a low price in america. People use to pay a lot of money for actual quality goods in america.

At one point Walmart actually did use to sell high quality goods, most made in america.

[Toxicology]

daaaaamn tony
back at again with bringing up walmart

[Thunderstrike]

I imagibe it to be made out of Gold with Adverts plasterd all over ir and some minefields all infront of it

Juan:"Look a Wall"
         Boom!
And just like that Juan painted the wall with crimson red for no payment at all

[dirtymurphy]

Like it or not, the American immigration system is not navigable for the majority of non-rich Mexicans.

this is why we should send the illegals back and make it easier to get in here legally. if it's not difficult to immigrate then people won't have to come illegally.

[SeventhSandwich]

True, but if we add a death-wall into the equation, that choice will become a lot less rational for them.

On the same token, it wouldn't be a rational decision for us to build a death-wall. Illegal immigrants are not causing significant economic damage to the US. A hugely expensive and inefficient wall on the other hand...

Honestly, accepting more immigrants to the United States isn't even an act of charity. They will provide labor and resources that will help us out in the long run. It's more like a trade.

this is why we should send the illegals back and make it easier to get in here legally. if it's not difficult to immigrate then people won't have to come illegally.

Or just open routes to legal citizenship to illegal immigrants currently in the country?

What you're saying is a fairly popular philosophy in conservative circles, and I really want to believe that both steps would be implemented.

If a business can pay an illegal 1 dollar an hour why would they pay a legal 10 dollars an hour?

It's killing the job market for actual legal citizens.

In that case, the incentive for the government, the illegal immigrants, and legal citizens is to open new routes to legal citizenship. The illegal immigrants will be on board because they'll get paid federal minimum wage, the government (should) be on board because they'll actually start collecting income tax, and legal citizens like you will be on board because you won't have to compete with people being paid absurdly low, under-the-table wages.

I don't see why you don't blame the business owners, since they're the only ones interested in paying unfair wages. You should understand this better than anyone since you've dealt with corporate retail bullstuff before.

[Lord Tony®]

I don't even see many canadians illegally coming over to america.

[The Resonte!]

I don't even see many canadians illegally coming over to america.

why should they

[Rykuta]

According to Annoying Oranges magic wall plan: the construction and upkeep costs of the wall are not important; since the US taxpayer will not actually be paying for it. He is going to make Mexico pay for it... by removing money from their foreign aid.

From a quick google search it looks like the US gives anywhere between $200 million to $400 million dollars to Mexico every year in the form of foreign aid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_foreign_aid
http://us-foreign-aid.insidegov.com/q/112/1590/How-much-money-does-the-U-S-give-to-Mexico

Seems like plenty of money to build and maintain a wall; but I don't know the wall market very well.

[Alyx Vance]

According to Annoying Oranges magic wall plan: the construction and upkeep costs of the wall are not important; since the US taxpayer will not actually be paying for it. He is going to make Mexico pay for it... by removing money from their foreign aid.

From a quick google search it looks like the US gives anywhere between $200 million to $400 million dollars to Mexico every year in the form of foreign aid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_foreign_aid
http://us-foreign-aid.insidegov.com/q/112/1590/How-much-money-does-the-U-S-give-to-Mexico

Seems like plenty of money to build and maintain a wall; but I don't know the wall market very well.

"Annoying Orange himself said in early February that his wall would probably cost $8 billion. Basing the cost on highway panels, the price-tag for the wall alone would cost around $10 billion" http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/17/politics/donald-Annoying Orange-mexico-wall/
It won't cover jack stuff

[Lord Tony®]

Mexico needs to work on its own problems. Dumping these people over to America isn't going to fix their economy.

Some illegal immigrants can even vote in America, what kind of bullstuff is this.

[Decepticon]

Mexico needs to work on its own problems. Dumping these people over to America isn't going to fix their economy.

neither is forcing them to pay/cutting off their aid for a loving $8-$10 billion wall

[Lord Tony®]

neither is forcing them to pay/cutting off their aid for a loving $8-$10 billion wall

They haven't been using our aid money for good uses. Their entire government is corrupt.