"New York, Vermont ban official state travel to Mississippi over LGBT law"-link

[ABlockOfCheese]

you guys are aware i have already previously stated im not trying to force them to change? ive always seen the law to serve everyone equally was a fallnet to catch dumb businesses that wanted to perform corporal Self Delete. i just strongly feel that it should be there for that reason.

you do realize that this law is put in place so that places like bakeries that hold certain religious beliefs can't be forced to participate in things like gay weddings, right?  Obviously it's wrong to deny someone service in general because they are gay.  This law is put in place to keep from businesses being forced to produce/participate in products/activities that are LGBT.

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[Donnies Catch]

you do realize that this law is put in place so that places like bakeries that hold certain religious beliefs can't be forced to participate in things like gay weddings, right?  Obviously it's wrong to deny someone service in general because they are gay.  This law is put in place to keep from businesses being forced to produce/participate in products/activities that are LGBT.

no, i was thinking about in general. a bakery should obviously be able to deny, but that and similars would be the only exception

[ABlockOfCheese]

no, i was thinking about in general. a bakery should obviously be able to deny, but that and similars would be the only exception

that exception is the reason the law was made.  You can kind of think of it like this:  Christian ministers should not be forced to officiate gay weddings.

[Nonnel]

you set up a lemonade stand and business is booming
suddenly that big bully comes down the street and says he wants some
he heard it was the best in town
you deny him lemonade because he is a cunt
he sues you for denying him claiming that it was because of his race
kid court rules in favor of the bully and you are thrown in the school jail for hate speech

[shitlord]

you set up a lemonade stand and business is booming
suddenly that big bully comes down the street and says he wants some
he heard it was the best in town
you deny him lemonade because he is a cunt
he sues you for denying him claiming that it was because of his race
kid court rules in favor of the bully and you are thrown in the school jail for hate speech

yeah but that doesn't even compare to whats being talked about here

also the system can EASILY be abused if we do argue for the right to do that

[MoltenKitten]

If you want to control how people can run their business you should move to some country like China

[Donnies Catch]

kind of a bad brown townogy since a lemonade stand isnt rlly a business in this context. if it was, and was ran officially and by an adult, then hell yea you get in trouble for that stuff

If you want to control how people can run their business you should move to some country like China

why? im in west europe and its ran like this here?

[Nonnel]

lemonade stand was a joke. the point is there should be no problem in denying to serve any person for any reason
as well as the system as it stands is easy to abuse

[Nymph]

lemonade stand was a joke. the point is there should be no problem in denying to serve any person for any reason
as well as the system as it stands is easy to abuse

Gay guy: I want a gay cake for my wedding next week.
Baker: Sorry, we are already catering a wedding next week.
Little did the gay guy know he lied and just didn't want to bake a gay cake.

[Otis Da HousKat]

Gay guy: I want a gay cake for my wedding next week.
Baker: Sorry, we are already catering a wedding next week.
Little did the gay guy know he lied and just didn't want to bake a gay cake.

Yes, this is the common response in how to get around catering gay weddings, but unfortunately they can either build a case of discriminatory behavior over time or send in people undercover to ask for non-gay wedding services during the same time and document your response.

[Nonnel]

Gay guy: I want a gay cake for my wedding next week.
Baker: Sorry, we are already catering a wedding next week.
Little did the gay guy know he lied and just didn't want to bake a gay cake.

ok?

[Nymph]

ok?

I was giving an example to your point.

[otto-san]

my inclination is say that businesses should have discretion in what clients they decide to serve

the thing that bothers me is the idea that businesses could potentially have complete discretion to legally discriminate and that's not cool. if all you have to do is say "i'm religiously compelled to not serve you," that's a pretty stuffty law and could affect more than just gay weddings. in that case i'm sure you would easily win in court tho since that's legitimate, intentional discrimination

also ofc that it would suck to have someone tell you to forget off cus they don't like gay marriage but idk which is more important. i don't buy the whole "gay marriage is discrimination against religion" thing but i certainly think private businesses have more rights than public institutions

[Nonnel]

I was giving an example to your point.

gotcha
i didn't know if you were trying to counterpoint or something

the thing that bothers me is the idea that businesses could potentially have complete discretion to legally discriminate and that's not cool.

but why not? it's their business, so it's their business (get it) who they serve

[otto-san]

to clarify i mean situations where someone could conveniently have compelling religious interest to not serve an entire group of people for no reason other than "i don't like ur kind." e.g. not wanting to serve a kool kids klub rally is reasonable, not wanting to serve white people isn't

(on a case-by-case basis it's obviously also reasonable to not serve someone that's being a big dumbo)

that seems an awful lot like something we finished in the 60s