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Abortion is a right everyone has
79 (53%)
Abortion is OK in some situations
54 (36.2%)
Abortion should be banned
16 (10.7%)

Total Members Voted: 149

Author Topic: What is your opinion on Abortion  (Read 11949 times)

Unborn =/= baby. All your argument boils down to anyways is semantics, no biological basis whatsoever.
What's a baby?


what is conscious and why does it need to be protected after birth

you are obviously not conscious so can i abort you

All right, give me your supported proof that a fetus isn't a baby

Because it cannot survive without the aide of the placenta and umbilical cord until the 3rd trimester (where less than 0.01% of abortions are performed)? Because it doesn't have established thalamocortical connections until the 26th week? Because it's less than two inches long at the start of the fetal stage? Because it's not breathing? Because it weighs 8 grams? Because it's brain isn't functioning until later into the 6th month? Because it doesn't have formed bones until the third trimester?

There's literally no reason to continue. You keep stuffting out the definition of fetus as if it means anything. Every dumbass and his dog on the planet knows that the fetus is an 'unborn baby', the real debate is whether or not a parasitic mass of cells which is incapable of emotion, breathing or movement is considered valuable 'human life'. I'll give you a hint: a pine cone is not a pine tree.

I don't see why so many people care about abortion anyway. It's just another issue that some people think is morally wrong and others don't.

Premarital love isn't against the law even though some people think it's immoral, and neither should be killing babies.

you are obviously not conscious so can i abort you
apparently so

a pine cone is not a pine tree.

but a pine tree can't enjoy the fact it exists

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infant
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Before birth, the term fetus is used.

Because it cannot survive without the aide of the placenta and umbilical cord until the 3rd trimester (where less than 0.01% of abortions are performed)? Because it doesn't have established thalamocortical connections until the 26th week? Because it's less than two inches long at the start of the fetal stage? Because it's not breathing? Because it weighs 8 grams? Because it's brain isn't functioning until later into the 6th month? Because it doesn't have formed bones until the third trimester?

There's literally no reason to continue. You keep stuffting out the definition of fetus as if it means anything. Every dumbass and his dog on the planet knows that the fetus is an 'unborn baby', the real debate is whether or not a parasitic mass of cells which is incapable of emotion, breathing or movement is considered valuable 'human life'. I'll give you a hint: a pine cone is not a pine tree.
Thank you for the effort but, I still think it's a baby

I just got the sudden realization this whole argument is stupid because it is entirely based off opinions

I'll give you a hint: a pine cone is not a pine tree.
I laughed a bit too hard at this.


Thank you for the effort but, I still think it's a baby

Thanks for being dismissive, clearly you know what you are talking about. Do you have any other reason why a fetus can be conflated with being an infant instead of your weak semantics argument.

this whole argument is stupid because it is entirely based off opinions
Then why were you basically telling us a fetus being a baby was fact?

Thank you for the effort but, I still think it's a baby

Yeah, thanks for wasting my time richardhead. You got me. You and your garbage uninformed opinions are why medical science is being held back.

but a pine tree can't enjoy the fact it exists

the fundamental concept is that the developmental stage =/= the final product, even if potential is involved. the pine cone and the pine tree are vastly different things
unless you're memeing me

To me it doesn't even matter if they are babies or not, 20 weeks after conception most fetuses develop a majority of their pain receptors and many abortion methods are atrocious. I'm generally against abortion but I think it's fine in some cases.

the fundamental concept is that the developmental stage =/= the final product, even if potential is involved. the pine cone and the pine tree are vastly different things
unless you're memeing me

but isn't it a really linear and self-focused way of thinking to take away the potential of a productive existence? especially after the fetus has developed to a certain point.

and is the difference really that vast if one becomes the other?

you might not be conscious if you don't understand consciousness
birth is the cutoff since everyone considers a baby a baby after birth, since it's too big to continue living off of its mother, and because it would be too difficult to take on case-by-case of whether a baby has lived long enough to become conscious. life is irrelevant if it has never been conscious.
How do you know a baby isn't conscious? Consciousness isn't defined by memory. If it were, amnesiacs and those with severe dementia would be without consciousness.

We can only look at this from a medical perspective as well. We can't define life by the spiritual concept of consciousness, as this necessitates that a person is able to communicate in order to explain that they are self-aware. It would then be perverse to suggest that someone unable to communicate, whether having not learnt to talk, or having lost the ability to communicate, is lacking consciousness, and no longer alive.
Even with the medical definition, which is based upon response to stimuli, people who are asleep are lacking consciousness.


I don't really understand what you're getting at about consciousness in this argument, really. I've not heard it used as a qualifier for the distinction between foetus and baby, because of course, consciousness is not a constant presence in the living.

Thank you for the effort but, I still think it's a baby

I just got the sudden realization this whole argument is stupid because it is entirely based off opinions
forget you and your arrogant ass attitude, this is why you're a social outcast. because you can't do well in any sort of social situation

but isn't it a really linear and self-focused way of thinking to take away the potential of a productive existence? especially after the fetus has developed to a certain point.

and is the difference really that vast if one becomes the other?
The, "potential of a productive existence," argument is weak because there is no way to determine how a person will grow and develop and what they will or won't do. People from educated wealthy families end up being drug addicted forget ups and people born into crippling property manage to escape it. You cannot objectively judge a healthy fetus' potential and life outcome in either case.