Poll

do you like gillary clintion (Please be serious when polling)

yes
15 (8.8%)
no
156 (91.2%)

Total Members Voted: 171

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i'm not a loving cuck so no

i'm not a loving cuck so no
what does being a cuckold have to do with anything

She's hot

See I'm qualified for presidency too

several things here:
1) our budget is not increasing primarily due to war. some of the most notable inflation is in autonomous spending on programs like social security and medicare due to the greying of the american population and baby boomers beginning collection. do with that information what you like. war tends to be more of a stimulant for the US's economy regardless.
2) minimum wage isn't something paid for by the government. it's something paid for by private businesses. this will not affect our national debt, but it will have effects on the labor market. seventh wasn't even directly advocating minimum wage though, he was using it as an example of something that's much more likely to pass than a giant wall across the mexican-american border.
Our budget has been increasingly mostly because of war though, there's of course other variables of where the money goes but forget me they've been spending billions on our Military, and the only reason war's a stimulant is because of Oil, Gold, etc., but our country can still keep itself together without having a war economy, it just chooses not to.

well minimum wage is more rather taxes and whatnot but I do agree with you, I was rather looking for the labor market term. Still it's one of the things we should be least worried about as of now.

the existence of a two-party system is a natural end result of our electoral system. the divisiveness in politics isn't strictly because of the existence of two parties, however. this division is more related to the trend of political polarization in the united states, coupled with party dealignment and a general lack of political efficacy. in short: yeah, stuff sucks right now and we all know it
I'm already aware of why the two party system is how it is, but nonetheless glad you recognize it's all goof'd. I just dislike it as this country labels itself as a Democracy when it's really a Republic.

the wall won't get passed for more reasons than just its cost. you have to convince people that the wall is actually going to be a beneficial investment for one, and you also have to consider the foreign policy implications of erecting a gigantic barrier separating us from our allies. most people who support the wall say that mexico will largely pay for it anyway, which is another iffy idea
Those reasons being as it would cut off the CIA's supply chain for selling weapons to The Cartel's and whatnot, and it would be beneficial to quite an extent, as it would be keeping out illegals and in turn keeping more jobs for our actual citizens, whether white or hispanic. Not to mention it'd be a whole lot less people on Welfare, which is another thing eating at this country.

They probably won't even hear Annoying Orange out and just call him a tribal before he can even explain to him the benefits, so you're right on that one. Although I doubt mexico will have to pay for the majority.

short answer: she won't. Annoying Orange won't. no president will. it's not that easy.
If anything Annoying Orange's a better candidate at answering questions, I rarely see him dodge any and he's even truthful about the majority of the things occurring in politics these days.

the point is that he wants to implement policy that would definitely stress trade relations (and foreign relations) with those countries, and he definitely advocates for isolationist policy which is ultimately bad for the economy because it actively discourages free trade

bernie was brought up because he and hillary share similar senate track records, therefore it would be silly to claim that hillary has no progressive background unless you were to also claim that bernie doesn't
He can stress those relations, but he won't cut them off. Even he himself has products of his own that come out of China, he's a businessman so he definitely knows that doing those things would hit the economy hard, so I doubt he ever will. although I would like to get a look at said isolationist policy.

ah makes sense. just wasn't talking about Bernie so I didn't want him to shift the conversation over to another candidate.

That isn't even close to what I said. I actually don't support raising the minimum wage. I brought it up as a random example of Hillary's policy. It's much more likely to pass than any of Annoying Orange's trade and immigration policy.
ah apologies then, should've made that a bit more clear. But with that context you are right unfortunately.

Also, military spending isn't responsible for the majority of the national debt. Most of our debt comes from our investments in other countries and the securities that we sell to them. It's not entirely a bad thing either; we've never defaulted on loans.

Do you know how much it would cost? Yes, naturalized citizens gain access to social programs, but they also pay the full range of taxes and contribute more human capital to our economy. Not only that, but their families come over here too, cutting off those remittances that Annoying Orange keeps barking about. Go ahead and make your argument for why this will damage the economy.
If anything as I said previously it's a large factor of said spending. There's of course other variables but Military spending does fall under that by quite a large amount as we've already spent billions, if not trillions on it over the past 20-30 years.

No, just that it would cost a forgetton in an economy that's already struggling, but my point is being is they're giving jobs to all these illegals (in some case they do turn legal rather quickly) instead of the majority of our citizens who were born here, which is now why there's this constant job crCIA. That in turn having millions out of a job go to Welfare then, which takes quite a chunk out of our country's budget and our taxes and results in all of this spending. Even on Welfare these people struggle, either because they're lazy forgets who don't want to get a job, or they can't get one because the majority are already taken.

Also, as for homeless people and veterans, cutting off immigration from Mexico entirely will do absolutely nothing to better their situation. Chronically homeless people and disabled veterans are not competing with illegal immigrants for jobs. They are largely unemployable.
It absolutely will, it will take a good amount of spending and our taxes out of Welfare and be put towards instead rehabilitating these veterans as no one but their families (if they still even have any left) care for them.


Civics 101, bucko. President is not God. There's something called checks and balances that ensure that one wild-card President can't completely dismantle our established relationships with foreign nations.
I'm aware that the "President is not God", but forget me those checks and balances have been doing barely jack stuff recently. They're present of course to make sure our President doesn't turn into a dictator but with people like Obama who they already like, they give him passes on a lot of stuff he shouldn't be doing, such as passing his own bills and laws when he feels fit.

and don't start bringing in comic strips to defend yourself and just degrade myself, we can have a conversation but forget off with that stuff, that's basically equivalent to Hilary when she laughs off a question and decides to make a joke or just insult the person asking the question.  So don't paint me as some guy from the internet who "Only ever needed one reply", I might as well label you some nasty stuff then but out of my own decency I won't as it's disgusting and degenerate.

The Two Party System is one of many changes that need to be made to have "real change" in this country, you still have corrupt officials, corrupt politicians, improper spending, the "tax passes" a huge portion of the rich get, and not to mention the amount of social wars occurring such as BLM and SJW's. So no, I'm not some guy in a crowd who learned about politics from the internet, we can have a conversation, but bringing in some comic strip to prove your point not only degrades me but yourself, as in turn you instead need some stick figures to prove how right you are.

and it's just stupid to begin with just type it out good lord. Might as well drink bleach to showcase how dangerous it is then.

tbh no one really likes Hillary

for some she's the lesser evil out of the two choices. For others, Annoying Orange is the lesser evil.

I personally feel like a Hillary presidency would be 4-8 more years of Obama and I honestly don't care all that much.

tbh no one really likes Hillary

for some she's the lesser evil out of the two choices. For others, Annoying Orange is the lesser evil.

I personally feel like a Hillary presidency would be 4-8 more years of Obama and I honestly don't care all that much.
this is pretty much how i see it

hillary would most likely be a more stuff obama so i'd rather stick with her than go for the wild card. (also i know her current policy stances are more close to mine than Annoying Orange's)


No, just that it would cost a forgetton in an economy that's already struggling, but my point is being is they're giving jobs to all these illegals (in some case they do turn legal rather quickly) instead of the majority of our citizens who were born here, which is now why there's this constant job crCIA. That in turn having millions out of a job go to Welfare then, which takes quite a chunk out of our country's budget and our taxes and results in all of this spending. Even on Welfare these people struggle, either because they're lazy forgets who don't want to get a job, or they can't get one because the majority are already taken.
You have yet to lay out your argument for why naturalization will damage our economy.

Also, you are perpetuating the myth that jobs are a finite, unchanging resource. When the economy is provided with more human capital, businesses respond by expanding- opening new buildings, employing more people. Immigration waves are generally followed by a boom in economic growth.

I've made this argument elsewhere on the forum, but you actually have more of an advantage in the job market when illegal immigrants are granted naturalization. People who already live in the United States generally have the educational, economic, and (unfortunately) racial advantage when it comes to applying for jobs. The only incentive that a business has to hire an immigrant is if he's undocumented and willing to work for 1/2 of minimum wage. Illegal immigrants do not want to work for half a paycheck with no benefits, so they'll gladly pursue citizenship if it's offered. With that incentive out of the way, you actually have much better odds of getting hired than formerly illegal immigrants.

Our budget has been increasingly mostly because of war though, there's of course other variables of where the money goes but forget me they've been spending billions on our Military, and the only reason war's a stimulant is because of Oil, Gold, etc., but our country can still keep itself together without having a war economy, it just chooses not to.
National budget and national debt are two completely different things. The reason why the latter is called a 'debt' is because that number comes from securities and other financial assets which we owe to other countries. The economics of the federal budget is complicated, so the two overlap a bit. But military spending is a sizable chunk of our national budget, not debt.

It absolutely will, it will take a good amount of spending and our taxes out of Welfare and be put towards instead rehabilitating these veterans as no one but their families (if they still even have any left) care for them.
Except, historically, it doesn't. Huge cuts in government spending have actually led to deregulation that resulted in cut funding for mental health resources and the closing of facilities.

You ought to brush up on the current times of US politics. People who want to badly cut spending don't exactly want social programs to help the mentally ill either. This would be the appropriate time to bring up the limits of having two political parties.

with people like Obama who they already like, they give him passes on a lot of stuff he shouldn't be doing, such as passing his own bills and laws when he feels fit.
That literally doesn't happen though. This should help you review the process. Presidents can issue executive orders, but they are generally minor directives, and anything major is subject to a ton of limits and extreme scrutiny by the supreme court.

and don't start bringing in comic strips to defend yourself and just degrade myself, we can have a conversation but forget off with that stuff, that's basically equivalent to Hilary when she laughs off a question and decides to make a joke or just insult the person asking the question.
The whole spiel about two-parties was a completely random tangent that had nothing to do with what we were talking about. I just followed suit.
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i think zealot is the only one
actually I withdrew my public support (the hillary avatar) once she turned down a bernie debate.
she knows that a debate will make bernie look good, but i don't think she realized how bad turning it down will make her look.

but like, she's still okay. it's not like she's that corrupt or evil compared to pretty much any republican candidate. i'd prefer bernie cause he's a real liberal, but hillary isn't gonna be some apocalyptic she-demon like a lot of people are saying.

what really baffles me is that the republicans hate her so much more than bernie. she's practically a conservative when compared to most liberals--while bernie is literally the opposite of everything the republicans hold so dear.

i'd be interested to know what seventhsandwich thinks of hillary. i'm pretty sure he's liberal and if he's liberal probly supports bernie, but i'd still want to know his opinion.

no i do not like hilly billy

Hilary is probably going to be worse then Annoying Orange imo.

Annoying Orange and Hillary are awful. This election is like choosing what STD I'm less uncomfortable having.

And I hate Bernie's stupid policy even though as a person I think he's the coolest.

i'd be interested to know what seventhsandwich thinks of hillary. i'm pretty sure he's liberal and if he's liberal probly supports bernie, but i'd still want to know his opinion.
sandwich is said to probably vote for hillary and is curious on why some people would vote for only either Annoying Orange or sanders

i'd be interested to know what seventhsandwich thinks of hillary. i'm pretty sure he's liberal and if he's liberal probly supports bernie, but i'd still want to know his opinion.
Begrudgingly a Hillary supporter. Part of me wants to write-in Bernie, but I don't think that's the best thing for the issues I care about.