[NEWS] Hillary Clinton selects Tim Kaine (Senator from Virginia) as her VP pick

[Alternat¡ve]

Endorsing is a formality in the world of politics. There is no "I support this persons policies and choices" box that they fill out when someone endorses someone else. It's basically just saying "I'll take you over the other guy or myself because i can't win, I guess." People take it way too seriously. Which is sort of a good thing and a bad thing in this case.

A good thing because he can leverage it against her in the future. A bad thing because people are interpreting it as "I support your decisions and policies."

He destroyed his own credibility by his endorsement of Clinton. He sold out and betrayed his supporters.

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[Jairo]

he could've accomplished that by not endorsing her you know, it's not a requirement.

if he didn't endorse her, he was going to be locked out of the national convention next week

[Ipquarx]

He destroyed his own credibility by his endorsement of Clinton. He sold out and betrayed his supporters.

The only reason some people feel betrayed is because they wrongly interpret it as a show of support. Again. He's not supporting her, he's using it to leverage Clinton and as Jairo said, to get into the convention, which he promised he'd do.

[Alternat¡ve]

The only reason some people feel betrayed is because they wrongly interpret it as a show of support. Again. He's not supporting her, he's using it to leverage Clinton and as Jairo said, to get into the convention, which he promised he'd do.

Why would he endorse her and then try to win at the national convention? It makes no sense. It's time to accept that Bernie was just another lying politician all along.

[rambo1220]

if he didn't endorse her, he was going to be locked out of the national convention next week

not locked out of it, he could've still attended it.

And if my choices were between supporting a crooked candidate and not being allowed to speak at one convention, then forget me I'm chill with watching from the sidelines.

Endorsing is a formality in the world of politics. There is no "I support this persons policies and choices" box that they fill out when someone endorses someone else. It's basically just saying "I'll take you over the other guy or myself because i can't win, I guess." People take it way too seriously. Which is sort of a good thing and a bad thing in this case.

A good thing because he can leverage it against her in the future. A bad thing because people are interpreting it as "I support your decisions and policies."

how come politics is so definitive of certain actions and statements but when it's something people disagree with they're just like "ehhh it's kinda that but not really"

he supports her, made clear by his choice to endorse her, and there is no leverage to use in the future he's on her side for gods sake.

He destroyed his own credibility by his endorsement of Clinton. He sold out and betrayed his supporters.

Why would he endorse her and then try to win at the national convention? It makes no sense. It's time to accept that Bernie was just another lying politician all along.

[Ipquarx]

Why would he endorse her and then try to win at the national convention? It makes no sense. It's time to accept that Bernie was just another lying politician all along.

What? No, he said he'd attend. He knows he's not going to win and he's not trying to delude his supporters into thinking he's going to win. His endorsement was an acceptance of defeat in addition to what I said earlier, again, not support. Saying "he supports her" over and over again isn't going to make it true. He never has supported her or her decisions/policies and he never will.

[rambo1220]

What? No, he said he'd attend. He knows he's not going to win and he's not trying to delude his supporters into thinking he's going to win. His endorsement was an acceptance of defeat in addition to what I said earlier, again, not support. Saying "he supports her" over and over again isn't going to make it true. He never has supported her or her decisions/policies and he never will.

look at it however you want, he could've easily accepted defeat by just not endorsing anyone at all. And saying "he doesn't support her" over and over again doesn't make it true either.

he sold out, plain and simple.

[Alternat¡ve]

have any proof that he didn't sell out and that he doesn't support her?

[Ipquarx]

look at it however you want, he could've easily accepted defeat by just not endorsing anyone at all. And saying "he doesn't support her" over and over again doesn't make it true either.

he sold out, plain and simple.

You think he just did it because someone payed him off? Seriously? He has tons of clear reasons to do it and none of them involve supporting her.

-It gives him access to the convention (As in, not just sitting in the audience, actually taking part in the convention itself)
-It gave him room to get more progresive policies into the DNC platform
-It gives him a large amount of leverage over Clinton and other establishment politicians to either uphold their promises or lose the trust of their voterbase
-It gives him an advantage going into 2020 because of the leverage he gets as a result of the endorsement
-It might sway an extremely small minority of voters away from Annoying Orange. He believes that Clinton is the lesser of two evils, if you disagree then whatever but that's not him selling out. It's him accepting the reality that one of them is going to be elected and that choosing the lesser of two evils is better than not choosing anything at all.

have any proof that he didn't sell out and that he doesn't support her?

Where's yours? I thought you were all about innocent until proven guilty.

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Where's yours? I thought you were all about innocent until proven guilty.

The burden of proof is on you. I'm saying he supports her because he said it himself. The words came out of his mouth.  You are interpreting some wacko brain waves and saying he was lying the whole time. I want proof.

[Willymcmilly]

We still need Bernie Sanders.

[Ipquarx]

The burden of proof is on you. I'm saying he supports her because he said it himself. The words came out of his mouth.  You are interpreting some wacko brain waves and saying he was lying the whole time. I want proof.

Again, endorse =/= your interpretation of "support." He's saying he'll vote for her over Annoying Orange. No less, no more. Even wikipedia says "Political endorsement is the action of publicly declaring one's personal or group's support of a candidate for elected office." Notice the bolded text, he's saying he wants her to be elected over Annoying Orange because he knows one of the two is going to get elected.

[Aces]

I'm not entirely following this argument but what does he get from selling out exactly?

[SeventhSandwich]

He destroyed his own credibility by his endorsement of Clinton. He sold out and betrayed his supporters.

Literally why would he not endorse her? They stand the same on the vast majority of positions, while he has absolutely nothing in common with Annoying Orange.

[Nickelob Ultra]

How the hell did he destroy his credibility?  He was destroying his credibility the longer he waited to support her.  Hell, even all the schmucks in the GOP endorsed Annoying Orange save for Cruz, probably on account of insulting his wife and accusing his dad.

I can hope that he'll consider revoking his endorsement and going for a third party bid.  Up to this point I was barely considering voting for Hillary, only to prevent a conservative-packed supreme court down the road.  With all this stuff now I want to vote for literally anyone else but those two stuffheads.