[NEWS] SUNY Binghamton under fire for "Stop White People" seminars

[McZealot]

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Anyone can cherry-pick examples like this. When you are speaking about groups as large as the Alt-Right and Alt-Left, there are practically endless examples of reprehensible behavior on both sides. Japan is one of the most peaceful countries in the world. I could pull up so many examples of violence in Japan that it would stretch the page. You know why? There's a lot of Japanese.

You aren't showing anything, and in fact leave yourself very vulnerable to attack by validating examples like these as reflections of the group.

Also, Bill Cosby? What the hell? How is that an example?

I can find plenty more examples. You give me ways in which the alt right has (or is attempting to) damage society.

How have white supremacists, national socialists, and xenophobes damaged our nation? Seriously?

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[MoltenKitten]

Anyone can cherry-pick examples like this. When you are speaking about groups as large as the Alt-Right and Alt-Left, there are practically endless examples of reprehensible behavior on both sides. Japan is one of the most peaceful countries in the world. I could pull up so many examples of violence in Japan that it would stretch the page. You know why? There's a lot of Japanese.

You aren't showing anything, and in fact leave yourself very vulnerable to attack by validating examples like these as reflections of the group.

Also, Bill Cosby? What the hell? How is that an example?

You know the difference between blm and being japanese? You can't choose to not be japanese. I also challenge you to find at least 10 examples of alt-right groups going out and doing big acts of violence from within the last 5 years.

[McZealot]

You know the difference between blm and being japanese? You can't choose to not be japanese

Yea, uh, that's utterly and completely unrelated. But nice try.

I also challenge you to find at least 10 examples of alt-right groups going out and doing big acts of violence from within the last 5 years.

The very fact that you have to make so many specifications is hilariously fighting against your own point.

[MoltenKitten]

Yea, uh, that's utterly and completely unrelated. But nice try.

So people are born BLM and can't choose to leave the movement at any time?

The very fact that you have to make so many specifications is hilariously fighting against your own point.

Fine then, get as many recent examples as you can find, doesn't even have to be BLM levels of handicapped.

[McZealot]

So people are born BLM and can't choose to leave the movement at any time?

Erm, I'm sorry, what are you even talking about?

[MoltenKitten]

Erm, I'm sorry, what are you even talking about?

Ok let me try to dumb this down so a liberal can understand.

If you are born in Japan then by definition you are Japanese. You can't be associated with evil actions of the country (for example Tojo) unless you were alive during that period and helped them achieve it. The BLM is a movement which you are not forced to join and it has an extremely bad (and deserved) reputation. At any time a patron can choose to leave the movement and make their own movement if they choose so they can be held responsible for the actions of other members, especially if they don't denounce their actions.

[Tactical Nuke]

Anyone can cherry-pick examples like this. When you are speaking about groups as large as the Alt-Right and Alt-Left, there are practically endless examples of reprehensible behavior on both sides. Japan is one of the most peaceful countries in the world. I could pull up so many examples of violence in Japan that it would stretch the page. You know why? There's a lot of Japanese.

You aren't showing anything, and in fact leave yourself very vulnerable to attack by validating examples like these as reflections of the group.

As of 2013, there are 127.3 million Japanese in Japan. There are 360 million people here, and only 29% identify as Democrats, with 26% identifying as Republican.  Taking that into account, you can reason that the number of alt-leftists here is significantly smaller, and the alt-right is infinitely smaller than even that. Yet you can find daily articles on how the alt-left is damaging society. The density of harmful acts per population is way more in favor of the Japanese because they don't destroy Tokyo when some cop shoots a criminal with a gun and then try to defend their own actions the next day.

Also, Bill Cosby? What the hell? How is that an example?

what a coincidence
almost makes you wanna get some jell-o

How have white supremacists, national socialists, and xenophobes damaged our nation? Seriously?

Context is important. No one talks about the alt-right in the news anymore. You notice that? The only people who talk about the alt-right are leftist politicians who want to make it seem like they're still a problem so they can get more votes.

[SuperFlaminninja³]

privilege

It gets on my nerves when people say white privilege exists, Every one has stuff happen to them and blaming it on the color of peoples skin dosn't help anything, In fact it hurts everything. Plus these "Statistics" That they argue to say "White Privilege" Exists can also be argued with other "Statistics". However I think SUNY should have chosen a better name, Like "White Privilege 2K16 #mondaysMatter2 #forgetTheCops"

[McZealot]

Ok let me try to dumb this down so a liberal can understand.

This is hilarious. "Take that, dummycrats!"

If you are born in Japan then by definition you are Japanese. You can't be associated with evil actions of the country (for example Tojo) unless you were alive during that period and helped them achieve it. The BLM is a movement which you are not forced to join and it has an extremely bad (and deserved) reputation. At any time a patron can choose to leave the movement and make their own movement if they choose so they can be held responsible for the actions of other members, especially if they don't denounce their actions.

Yea, no, you totally missed the point. But thanks for letting me know people aren't born as BLM supporters.

[WaterOre]

Ok let me try to dumb this down so a liberal can understand.

What's up with this sort of egoism that I see in conservatives so much? It's almost as though they believe other political views are some sort of mental illness, making people incapable of reason.

[McZealot]

What's up with this sort of egoism that I see in conservatives so much? It's almost as though they believe other political views are some sort of mental illness, making people incapable of reason.

"Liberalism is a mental disorder" is actually an extremely prevalent stance in the alt-right movement.

As of 2013, there are 127.3 million Japanese in Japan. There are 360 million people here, and only 29% identify as Democrats, with 26% identifying as Republican.  Taking that into account, you can reason that the number of alt-leftists here is significantly smaller, and the alt-right is infinitely smaller than even that. Yet you can find daily articles on how the alt-left is damaging society. The density of harmful acts per population is way more in favor of the Japanese because they don't destroy Tokyo when some cop shoots a criminal with a gun and then try to defend their own actions the next day.

Uh, you've made numerous errors here. In real life, much more than two quarters of the population identify as Republican or Democrat. I'm guessing the poll asked people if they strongly agree, or asked a small group. Your next error was assuming the Alt-Left are Democrats. The Democratic Party is a primarily moderate or even Conservative group, and most true Liberals identify only in name, or have moved on to the Independent Left, Green Party, or other liberal groups. So you're base stat is way off on both sides. Secondly, the population of Japan is totally irrelevant? Why did you even bring that up?

The alt-left is bad. The difference is that everyone knows that, and they isolate everyone who isn't their own. The alt-right is a growing and dangerous movement with it's fundamentals in racism, xenophobia, and regressive ideology.

what a coincidence
almost makes you wanna get some jell-o

"Bill Cosby is being crucified because he's Conservative"

What? No, he's getting crucified because he's a rapist.

Context is important. No one talks about the alt-right in the news anymore. You notice that? The only people who talk about the alt-right are leftist politicians who want to make it seem like they're still a problem so they can get more votes.

You don't think the alt-right is a problem? The Alt-Right is the reason that Donald Annoying Orange could potentially be president.

[Tactical Nuke]

Uh, you've made numerous errors here. In real life, much more than two quarters of the population identify as Republican or Democrat. I'm guessing the poll asked people if they strongly agree, or asked a small group. Your next error was assuming the Alt-Left are Democrats. The Democratic Party is a primarily moderate or even Conservative group, and most true Liberals identify only in name, or have moved on to the Independent Left, Green Party, or other liberal groups. So you're base stat is way off on both sides.

That was indeed a cursory glance into a Gallup poll. Good point. Let's instead look at the popular vote over the past couple of years, paired with the fact that Clinton is currently winning by a big margin.

Here is the turnout for the popular vote as recorded by Cornell University. Notice how, for the last two elections, voter turnout was less than half of the total population. Reasoning that these are mostly the only people who are willing to act out on their political beliefs, we can use this as a somewhat accurate representation of the political distribution in this country.

Notice how both times, the Democratic percentage is higher than that of the Republican percentage. This means that we can assume the alt-left is bigger than the alt-right.

To your next point, that the Democratic party is one of classical liberals instead of progressives (the alt-left). Hillary Clinton has championed more progressive ideas than you can imagine:

• Wage Gap
• BLM
• Massive gun control
• etc.

To add to this, Barack Obama has championed these same things in the past. The Democratic party has been hijacked by the alt-left. If you believe the alt-left is as bad as you say it is you should care about them taking your party probably even more than I do. Unless... you are one?

Secondly, the population of Japan is totally irrelevant? Why did you even bring that up?

because you did

The alt-left is bad. The difference is that everyone knows that, and they isolate everyone who isn't their own. The alt-right is a growing and dangerous movement with it's fundamentals in racism, xenophobia, and regressive ideology.

in your opinion
All those words you just used are four-letter words used to derail any serious argument and instead make it a kangaroo court over whether the accused is a tribal or not. To add, all you're saying is that that alt-right is "going to do something bad". How do you know? Because they said something mean? Whereas you have the leisure of picking pretty easily tons of examples of what the alt-left has already done.

Also, your definition of the alt-left would be 100% correct if they didn't have the backing of political leaders such as (oh I don't know) Hillary Clinton. As discussed in this topic, they also have the backing of the academia in this country. Take into account that Hollywood is the most liberal institution in this country with celebrities like Amy Schumer and Chris Rock, and your argument that they're sociopaths falls apart pretty quickly.

"Bill Cosby is being crucified because he's Conservative"

What? No, he's getting crucified because he's a rapist.

no proof of that yet
innocent until proven guilty is the way the justice system works in America I don't know if you knew that
also regret does not equal rape and consensually taking drugs to make the love better does not mean you aren't responsible for what happens next
also did you even read the article? it's comparing him to a convicted child enthusiast

You don't think the alt-right is a problem? The Alt-Right is the reason that Donald Annoying Orange could potentially be president.

I can take a good guess at where you get your news from

[McZealot]

Notice how, for the last two elections, voter turnout was less than half of the total population. Reasoning that these are mostly the only people who are willing to act out on their political beliefs, we can use this as a somewhat accurate representation of the political distribution in this country.

No we can't. Not even in the slightest. Voter turnout is incredibly biased towards certain groups. The impoverished tend not to vote. The young tend not to vote, and since most Liberals are in the youth, that cuts us out drastically. The most persistent voters are older white men, usually conservatives.

To your next point, that the Democratic party is one of classical liberals instead of progressives (the alt-left). Hillary Clinton has championed more progressive ideas than you can imagine:

I never said the DNC were classic liberals. I don't even consider them liberals to begin with. The DNC is a moderate organization, and I believe Liberal Democrats should leave the party behind.

To add to this, Barack Obama has championed these same things in the past. The Democratic party has been hijacked by the alt-left.

Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are not progressives, and they aren't even remotely Alt-Left. They are both traditional moderates. I'd say the only serious Left-Wing stance held of Hillary Clinton is her determination towards gun control, one of the few things I can respect about her.

Bernie Sanders was a left-wing progressive. At this point, the DNC is practically conservative.

If you believe the alt-left is as bad as you say it is you should care about them taking your party probably even more than I do. Unless... you are one?

Don't assume it's my party. I have condemned the DNC on numerous occasions.

Notice how both times, the Democratic percentage is higher than that of the Republican percentage. This means that we can assume the alt-left is bigger than the alt-right.

Uh, no we can't. There are a lot more Settlers of Catan fanatics than Monopoly fanatics. They're both board-games.

because you did

Except when I brought it up I was showing that because there were millions of people, we could find countless example of anything. I don't know why you brought it up.

The Alt-Right are not White Supremacists "in my opinion." Either a large percent of them are, or they aren't. That's not even determined by opinion, that's just a fact.

[MoltenKitten]

I didn't think anyone here knew less about politics than me but apparently I was wrong

[Filipe]

is it any different in Brazil?, I figure over there sjw's really don't exist

Are you kidding? Brazil is turning into the land of sjw's, we get feminists, lgbt communities, sort of a black lives matter, heck even communists and they're somehow pretty common