Author Topic: Annoying Orange: 'Nobody really knows' if climate change is real  (Read 6801 times)



I'll try not to reveal my power-level this early in the morning, but suffice to say that all the anti-climate-change arguments in this thread are just rehashes of already-debunked arguments.



"Climate change does not exist because we're undergoing a natural temperature/CO2 cycle" [1] [2]

Quote from: OSS Foundation
Is global warming a natural cycle? Or is global warming affected by human influence? What does the science say? Both are true. In the natural cycle, the world can warm, and cool, without any human interference. For the past million years this has occurred over and over again at approximately 100,000 year intervals. About 80-90,000 years of ice age with about 10-20,000 years of warm period, give or take some thousands of years.

The difference is that in the natural cycle CO2 lags behind the warming because it is mainly due to the Milankovitch cycles. Now CO2 is leading the warming. Current warming is clearly not natural cycle.

"Climate change exists but does not have any meaningful negative effects" [1] [2]

Quote from: NASA
Since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, the acidity of surface ocean waters has increased by about 30 percent.

Quote from: "World Health Organization (WHO)
Between 2030 and 2050, climate change is expected to cause approximately 250 000 additional deaths per year, from malnutrition, malaria, diarrhoea and heat stress.

The direct damage costs to health (i.e. excluding costs in health-determining sectors such as agriculture and water and sanitation), is estimated to be between US$ 2-4 billion/year by 2030.

"Climate change doesn't exist because Al Gore falsely predicted a bunch of doomsday stuff would happen"

I don't have an authoritative source on this one, but Al Gore is not a scientist and the majority of actual climate scientists are not predicting Armageddon in a matter of decades. They're confident that bad stuff will happen, but the consequences shown in An Inconvenient Truth don't necessarily reflect the scientific consensus.

edit: There have been climate scientists that have gone out and criticized some of the catastrophic outcomes Al Gore talks about in his book/movie. [1]

Quote
One concern among scientists in the film was the connection between hurricanes and global warming, which remains contentious in the science community. Gore cited five recent scientific studies to support his view.[38] "I thought the use of imagery from Hurricane Katrina was inappropriate and unnecessary in this regard, as there are plenty of disturbing impacts associated with global warming for which there is much greater scientific consensus," said Brian Soden, professor of meteorology and oceanography at the University of Miami.

Though, I wouldn't be too hard on Al Gore. For a non-scientist, he actually conveyed the science surprisingly accurately, and he deserves credit for starting a modern, science-based dialog on environmentalism.
« Last Edit: December 16, 2016, 12:58:25 PM by SeventhSandwich »

let's just launch waste into space

It's the aliens' problem now

It's the aliens' problem now
besides, it's not like we want any more illegal aliens anyways

Very well said Seventh Sandwich, I always like to see u jump in with hella information. what I like about you is that you actually research ur stuff and back it up with evidence. something I cannot say about most of this forum. :)

I'll try not to reveal my power-level this early in the morning, but suffice to say that all the anti-climate-change arguments in this thread are just rehashes of already-debunked arguments.



"Climate change does not exist because we're undergoing a natural temperature/CO2 cycle" [1] [2]

"Climate change exists but does not have any meaningful negative effects" [1] [2]

"Climate change doesn't exist because Al Gore falsely predicted a bunch of doomsday stuff would happen"

I don't have an authoritative source on this one, but Al Gore is not a scientist and the majority of actual climate scientists are not predicting Armageddon in a matter of decades. They're confident that bad stuff will happen, but the consequences shown in An Inconvenient Truth don't necessarily reflect the scientific consensus.

edit: There have been climate scientists that have gone out and criticized some of the catastrophic outcomes Al Gore talks about in his book/movie. [1]

Though, I wouldn't be too hard on Al Gore. For a non-scientist, he actually conveyed the science surprisingly accurately, and he deserves credit for starting a modern, science-based dialog on environmentalism.

you see though you are wrong. global warming is fake and al gore is a genius

IMO Al Gore only deserves credit for starting the discussion in the general public. I just don't like how people think any of his "projections" can be anything resembling accurate. Didn't he say that the glaciers in Alaska would melt by 2015 or something similar?

we should plant plants in space and have them eat the carbon dioxide

we should plant plants in space and have them eat the carbon dioxide
or just plant on ground and let the co2 in the upper atmosphere diffuse down

Seventh Sandwich's post is awesome. I'm gonna bookmark it for future reference.

At a debate tournament I made 2 interesting arguments against preventing Climate Change (that I obviously don't agree with). One was that it's a good thing, because it encourages us to settle on new planets and fund NASA. The other was that God will rapture us all anyway, so who cares if the planet dies in the process.

This is probably the stupidest thing I've read all day. What the flying forget happened to the blockland forums? People used to call out mentally challenged stuff bags like this instead of just letting their tinfoil hat wearing asses say whatever comes to their mind. What "makes it worse" are little worms like you, who put their biases and gut feelings over the 2 ton mound of evidence in front of their noses.
« Last Edit: December 16, 2016, 04:10:12 PM by McZealot »



This is probably the stupidest thing I've read all day. What the flying forget happened to the blockland forums? People used to call out mentally challenged stuff bags like this instead of just letting their tinfoil hat wearing asses say whatever comes to their mind. What "makes it worse" are little worms like you, who put their biases and gut feelings over the 2 ton mound of evidence in front of their noses.

Maybe you are just loving handicapped but I am DEFENDING climate change. I am saying that handicaps (probably like you since you have terrible reading comprehension) who try to cite the "97% agree" talking point as an argument look like idiots and, by association, make climate change look stupid, just like how SJW's and McZealot make the left look stupid and just like how Master Mathew and Lord Tony make the right look stupid.
« Last Edit: December 16, 2016, 04:46:25 PM by beachbum111111 »

Maybe you are just loving handicapped but I am DEFENDING climate change. I am saying that handicaps (probably like you since you have terrible reading comprehension) who try to cite the "97% agree" talking point as an argument look like idiots and, by association, make climate change look stupid, just like how SJW's and McZealot make the left look stupid and just like how Master Mathew and Lord Tony make the right look stupid.

Explain then? I don't understand how citing consensus among the academic community is a bad thing. It's one of the few instances where the majority opinion actually means something because it implies overwhelming evidence.

Maybe you are just loving handicapped but I am DEFENDING climate change. I am saying that handicaps (probably like you since you have terrible reading comprehension) who try to cite the "97% agree" talking point as an argument look like idiots and, by association, make climate change look stupid, just like how SJW's and McZealot make the left look stupid and just like how Master Mathew and Lord Tony make the right look stupid.
You sound pretty angry. Did he trigger you?

Whether you defend or deny climate change is irrelevant to the fact that what you said was stupid. Maybe instead of dodging the point about how what you said was dumb you could actually respond to his points. I don't really think anyone in this thread is a 'loving handicap' but if I had to pick one you'd certainly be in the running.