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| SeventhSandwich:
--- Quote from: DrenDran on January 23, 2017, 01:27:21 AM ---The problem is either they can't effectually enforce the law, or they won't. --- End quote --- Police have dispersed tons of protests on interstate highways over the past year. The next logical step might be employing some new microwave dispersal units, not opening fire into crowds of people. --- Quote from: DrenDran on January 23, 2017, 01:27:21 AM ---It doesn't even mention lethal force. It just says they can do whatever's needed to fix the problem. Maybe that does involve non-lethal methods. --- End quote --- Or maybe it doesn't. The point is that we follow the letter of the law, not the spirit. If cops decide to mow down 50 protestors on a highway, they can point to this law and say, "Hey, we needed to clear the highway," and then nobody gets punished. --- Quote from: DrenDran on January 23, 2017, 01:27:21 AM ---Better the state have the power and not need it than need it and not have it. --- End quote --- Didn't you just self-identify as far-right like ten minutes ago? Do you know what 'far-right' means in the context of American politics? |
| Insert Name Here²:
I like how Seventh is dead set on enforcing the mind-set that this bill is 100% geared towards violently murdering protesters, even though it isn't and is never even said to in the original bill |
| Planr:
--- Quote from: SeventhSandwich on January 23, 2017, 01:31:43 AM ---Didn't you just self-identify as far-right like ten minutes ago? Do you know what 'far-right' means in the context of American politics? --- End quote --- well states rights is a right-wing belief |
| SeventhSandwich:
--- Quote from: Insert Name Here² on January 23, 2017, 01:32:47 AM ---I like how Seventh is dead set on enforcing the mind-set that this bill is 100% geared towards violently murdering protesters, even though it isn't and is never even said to in the original bill --- End quote --- Again, you don't seem to understand that allowing police 'any means necessary' to disperse protests effectively legalizes lethal force. Whether or not they use it is irrelevant because the wording of the bill makes it legal. --- Quote from: Planr on January 23, 2017, 01:33:23 AM ---well states rights is a right-wing belief --- End quote --- Right-wing also means an emphasis on small-government, meaning you wouldn't typically expect someone 'right-wing' to advocate for allowing the government more avenues to kill dissenters. Isn't that why you guys love guns so much? So that you can overthrow a tyrannical government? |
| DrenDran:
--- Quote from: SeventhSandwich on January 23, 2017, 01:31:43 AM ---Police have dispersed tons of protests on interstate highways over the past year. The next logical step might be employing some new microwave dispersal units, not opening fire into crowds of people. --- End quote --- Part of the problem is that they allow the protests to get to the point where they're blocking traffic in the first place. There's plenty of videos of protests that have been allowed to stay around for quite some time. Microwave dispersal units may very well be the answer, but who's to say they won't be ruled inhumane based on current standards? --- Quote from: SeventhSandwich on January 23, 2017, 01:31:43 AM ---Didn't you just self-identify as far-right like ten minutes ago? Do you know what 'far-right' means in the context of American politics? --- End quote --- Well, I'm hardly a libertarian. I did say I was a far-right here: --- Quote from: DrenDran on January 22, 2017, 09:21:34 PM ---Yeah, this is what I was thinking. I hate globalism as much as the next far-right guy but this seems ill-advised. --- End quote --- The relevant part is the opposition to globalism. I'm no real fan of the left/right spectrum but I didn't mean to speak strictly based on people's perceptions of America's right-wing. To be "right-wing" means an acknowledgement of the necessity or inevitability of social hierarchy. If you tried to define me based solely on American politics I'd probably be authoritarian center. To quote Wikipedia: Right-wing politics hold that certain social orders and hierarchies are inevitable, natural, normal, or desirable, typically defending this position on the basis of natural law, economics or tradition. Hierarchy and inequality may be viewed as natural results of traditional social differences or the competition in market economies. The term right-wing can generally refer to "the conservative or reactionary section of a political party or system." |
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