[Poll] Which political party of the US do you prefer

[Alternat¡ve]

i literally just said nationalism

you would have no reason to point that out unless you were trying to make a point

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[Frequency]

I think the idea Seventh is going for is that an event like that would be very likely to influence the masses towards making what will be looked at in hindsight as a poor judgement, much like the invasion of Iraq.
An event that can get everyone unequivocally behind an ideal always has the chance of being a double-edged sword in the long run.

Ah, yeah.
Well maybe this time around the "event" can just be Annoying Orange doing what he promised he would. He's got my hopes up right now, but we'll see lol

[beachbum111111]

The whole microaggressions thing is just a dumb trend among a small subset of liberals. Our government doesn't punish people for microaggressions anyway.

I would have believed you four years ago but not now, not today.

[Nonnel]

you would have no reason to point that out unless you were trying to make a point

i am against nationalism; that doesn't mean i am equating it to fascism or national socialistsm.

[Frequency]

i am against nationalism; that doesn't mean i am equating it to fascism or national socialistsm.

Why are you so opposed to it? Taking pride in where you live and who you're under, especially when there is a symbiotic relationship where you are contributing to it and it to you, doesn't seem problematic at all.

Assuming you aren't asserting that other countries are terrible because they're not yours. I do have a problem with that.

[IkeTheGeneric]

i am against nationalism; that doesn't mean i am equating it to fascism or national socialistsm.

You aren't getting it. He thinks what you think is nationalism is a good thing. Don't you think being coy and sarcastic in response in most scenarios piss off the person? Unless this is exactly what you set out to do, your type of response is universally counterproductive and that's exactly what I meant when I questioned your self-awareness.

[beachbum111111]

i am against nationalism; that doesn't mean i am equating it to fascism or national socialistsm.

Really because you equate everything else to fascism

[Jairo]

Assuming you aren't asserting that other countries are terrible because they're not yours. I do have a problem with that.

isn't that the difference between patriotism (what you're in favor of) and nationalism (what you're not in favor of)?

[Nonnel]

Why are you so opposed to it? Taking pride in where you live and who you're under, especially when there is a symbiotic relationship where you are contributing to it and it to you, doesn't seem problematic at all.

Assuming you aren't asserting that other countries are terrible because they're not yours. I do have a problem with that.

Nationalism is essentially taking pride in your country because you were born there rather than because it's a country worth taking pride in. It's spoon-fed to you your whole life, especially in the US. You don't support our troops? You don't stand for the flag and take your hat off for the anthem? You're a communist bastard and you're un-American. That's nationalism and it's bullstuff.

You aren't getting it. He thinks what you think is nationalism is a good thing. Don't you think being coy and sarcastic in response in most scenarios piss off the person? Unless this is exactly what you set out to do, your type of response is universally counterproductive and that's exactly what I meant when I questioned your self-awareness.

you've clearly got your own problems with perception so I'll ignore you from here on out

[Frequency]

isn't that the difference between patriotism (what you're in favor of) and nationalism (what you're not in favor of)?

I dunno. To me it would seem that they're basically synonymous unless you're referring to the extreme. If that's the case, I'm opposed to the extreme.

Nationalism is essentially taking pride in your country because you were born there rather than because it's a country worth taking pride in. It's spoon-fed to you your whole life, especially in the US. You don't support our troops? You don't stand for the flag and take your hat off for the anthem? You're a communist bastard and you're un-American. That's nationalism and it's bullstuff.

That doesn't sound exactly like what patriotism/nationalism is. I mean I don't know what to call it but I'm opposed to that too. One of the reasons I take pride in my country because it principally allows its citizens to exercise that freedom not to support every aspect of it.

Actually, considering what I said to Jairo that would seem like some extreme form of nationalism, but not to the same degree of stuffting on other countries.

[Nonnel]

If you look at the second definition, it explains further.

[IkeTheGeneric]

you've clearly got your own problems with perception so I'll ignore you from here on out

Ah yes, typical response. Color me surprised.

[SeventhSandwich]

Why are you so opposed to it? Taking pride in where you live and who you're under, especially when there is a symbiotic relationship where you are contributing to it and it to you, doesn't seem problematic at all.

What you're describing is basically just patriotism - and there's nothing wrong with patriotism. The problem with nationalism is that it involves protectionism, cutting foreign aid, and opposition to international organizations.

[IkeTheGeneric]

I dunno. To me it would seem that they're basically synonymous unless you're referring to the extreme. If that's the case, I'm opposed to the extreme.

As far as I've been told, the simplest difference between patriotism and nationalism is the difference between "My country is great!" and "My country is the greatest!"

Textbook definition is synonymous, but there's a pretty clear defined difference between the both, despite what Nonnel may believe, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with patriotism. God bless America.

[Nonnel]

Patriotism is "I live in a great country" and nationalism is "I live in the best country in the world and I believe this because I was born here. (also if you weren't born here/don't believe what I believe/don't have the same customs I do then you're not really a true member of my country because you don't fit my idea of what my country should be)"
Patriotism is fine, but I wouldn't name it as something I hope the new administration focuses on. They should give me a reason to be patriotic, not force me to think that I should be patriotic because they think I should be.