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[NEWS] Feminists chant Allahu Akbar.
beachbum111111:
--- Quote from: SeventhSandwich on January 27, 2017, 03:19:17 AM ---I don't think liberals profess to 'loving Islam'. The idea is that we're the political ideology that sticks up for oppressed minorities. It doesn't mean we subscribe to their religious doctrine.
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It's like watching Lemmings jump off a cliff
--- Quote from: SeventhSandwich on January 27, 2017, 03:19:17 AM ---We'll probably see a women's liberation movement happen internally in Islam sometime in our lifetimes.
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Were probably going to see alot of dead women for disobeying
SeventhSandwich:
--- Quote from: beachbum111111 on January 27, 2017, 03:37:47 AM ---Were probably going to see alot of dead women for disobeying
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Perhaps, but how does discriminating against Muslims help to raise the status of Muslim women? Cappytaino seems to be saying that there's no way to address women's issues in Islam besides completely resenting them as a religious group.
beachbum111111:
--- Quote from: SeventhSandwich on January 27, 2017, 05:48:00 AM ---Perhaps, but how does discriminating against Muslims help to raise the status of Muslim women? Cappytaino seems to be saying that there's no way to address women's issues in Islam besides completely resenting them as a religious group.
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I'm not making some political statement on how your wrong I'm just saying that it's going to be tough.
SeventhSandwich:
--- Quote from: beachbum111111 on January 27, 2017, 05:51:18 AM ---I'm not making some political statement on how your wrong I'm just saying that it's going to be tough.
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I agree that it'll be tough, and it'll definitely take many decades. I'm not an expert on women's rights movements, but my guess is that women's issues will start to improve in Muslim-majority nations when those countries become more stable/prosperous/etc.
I messed around with the Gapminder graphing tool and looked at GDP per capita versus # of years of schooling among women aged 25+, and there's a very nice positive correlation between the two.
https://www.gapminder.org/tools/#_state_time_value=2009;&marker_axis_slash__y_which=mean_slash__years_slash__in_slash__school_slash__women_slash__25_slash__years_slash__and_slash__older&domainMin:null&domainMax:null&zoomedMin:null&zoomedMax:null;;;&chart-type=bubbles
It's probably not the only factor though. Saudi Arabia and the UAE are two really strong outliers on the graph. Those countries also have an obscene inequality in wealth, so that might also be another factor to look at.
beachbum111111:
--- Quote from: SeventhSandwich on January 27, 2017, 06:02:56 AM ---I agree that it'll be tough, and it'll definitely take many decades. I'm not an expert on women's rights movements, but my guess is that women's issues will start to improve in Muslim-majority nations when those countries become more stable/prosperous/etc.
I messed around with the Gapminder graphing tool and looked at GDP per capita versus # of years of schooling among women aged 25+, and there's a very nice positive correlation between the two.
https://www.gapminder.org/tools/#_state_time_value=2009;&marker_axis_slash__y_which=mean_slash__years_slash__in_slash__school_slash__women_slash__25_slash__years_slash__and_slash__older&domainMin:null&domainMax:null&zoomedMin:null&zoomedMax:null;;;&chart-type=bubbles
It's probably not the only factor though. Saudi Arabia and the UAE are two really strong outliers on the graph. Those countries also have an obscene inequality in wealth, so that might also be another factor to look at.
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But Iran was very secular and progressive...
...Then they became an Islamic republic