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| beachbum111111:
--- Quote from: Nonnel on January 26, 2017, 01:54:50 AM ---it's pretty safe to assume smallpox was brought over and spread by accident --- End quote --- I mean you would be a fool to deny that. I think Seventh was more referencing the remnants of the natives and saying that the US and other colonists intentionally tried to infect the natives. Which, even if they did, 97% of the native population was already wiped out by them. |
| SeventhSandwich:
--- Quote from: Red Spy on January 26, 2017, 01:49:51 AM ---Do you actually believe the same people who killed people for being witches also knew about stuff like viruses and how they spread --- End quote --- People understood to a rough extent that being near sick people got other people sick. It's not rocket science either - you don't need modern epidemiology to notice that the first people who get sick during a small-pox epidemic all live in the same household. --- Quote from: beachbum111111 on January 26, 2017, 01:52:28 AM ---I guess when I said "debunked" I meant "there are no sources or records that it ever happened". --- End quote --- --- Quote ---During Pontiac's uprising in 1763, the Indians besieged Fort Pitt. They burned nearby houses, forcing the inhabitants to take refuge in the well-protected fort. The British officer in charge, Captain Simeon Ecuyer, reported to Colonel Henry Bouquet in Philadelphia that he feared the crowded conditions would result in disease. Smallpox had already broken out. On June 24, 1763, William Trent, a local trader, recorded in his journal that two Indian chiefs had visited the fort, urging the British to abandon the fight, but the British refused. Instead, when the Indians were ready to leave, Trent wrote: "Out of our regard for them, we gave them two Blankets and an Handkerchief out of the Small Pox Hospital. I hope it will have the desired effect." --- End quote --- (source) --- Quote from: Nonnel on January 26, 2017, 01:54:50 AM ---it's pretty safe to assume smallpox was brought over and spread by accident --- End quote --- Yes, but there is absolutely evidence that germ warfare was used in some capacity. |
| beachbum111111:
--- Quote from: SeventhSandwich on January 26, 2017, 02:00:05 AM ---People understood to a rough extent that being near sick people got other people sick. It's not rocket science either - you don't need modern epidemiology to notice that the first people who get sick during a small-pox epidemic all live in the same household. (source) Mostly, but there is absolutely evidence that germ warfare was used in some capacity. --- End quote --- A smallpox epidemic swept the St. Lawrence and Ohio river areas all the way to Ft. Duquesne in 1755-56. This shows that the siege of Ft. Pitt is not the origin of smallpox in the area. Source: Breaking the Backcountry: The Seven Years' War in Virginia and Pennsylvania by Matthew C. Ward |
| SeventhSandwich:
--- Quote from: beachbum111111 on January 26, 2017, 02:00:53 AM ---A smallpox epidemic swept the St. Lawrence and Ohio river areas all the way to Ft. Duquesne in 1755-56. This shows that the siege of Ft. Pitt is not the origin of smallpox in the area. --- End quote --- Again, it doesn't need to be the source of an epidemic to count as germ warfare, but needless to say we're off-course here. The original reason we were talking about smallpox was because Christians played a role in its introduction, but it's true that the epidemic would have happened intentionally or not. What I would say is like, if 99% of the current population of the USA was wiped out by a pandemic, and then Muslim settlers started coming over and conquering our former land, would you honestly not characterize that as an 'Islamic Conquest'? |
| beachbum111111:
--- Quote from: SeventhSandwich on January 26, 2017, 02:03:30 AM ---Again, it doesn't need to be the source of an epidemic to count as germ warfare, but needless to say we're off-course here. The original reason we were talking about smallpox was because Christians played a role in its introduction, but it's true that the epidemic would have happened intentionally or not. What I would say is like, if 99% of the current population of the USA was wiped out by a pandemic, and then Muslim settlers started coming over and conquering our former land, would you honestly not characterize that as an 'Islamic Conquest'? --- End quote --- It depends. Is it a bunch of loving Albanians trying to start a colonial empire for trade or is it a jihad in the name of Allah? But okay lets say that it doesn't matter and either way it's religions fault. The christian colonial powers still killed less then the muslims did of the time. Hell even if that smallpox epidemic in the seven years war was caused by colonists, muslims still killed more. If you look at South America and Mexico what do you see? They are not Spanish, the majority of those countries are Mestizo (mixed race), some (Bolivia) have a majority of pure native population. |
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