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| beachbum111111:
--- Quote from: SeventhSandwich on January 26, 2017, 02:42:30 AM ---This isn't unique to Muslims though. Christians have done the same thing countless times throughout history. Remember that what I'm saying here isn't that Christians are religiously-violent, it's that religion isn't actually the key cause of these conflicts. There's historical context that's always missing. --- End quote --- I never said christians didn't. As I keep loving saying, the death toll for the Muslims is far higher. |
| SeventhSandwich:
--- Quote from: beachbum111111 on January 26, 2017, 02:43:27 AM ---I never said christians didn't. As I keep loving saying, the death toll for the Muslims is far higher. --- End quote --- So what's the actual threshold where we can say that a religion is 'violent'? It's obviously in the tens/hundreds of millions for both Christianity and Islam? Do you have like an actual figure in mind, or is it just some line that you've arbitrarily drawn lower than Islam and higher than Christianity? Why don't you think both religions are violent, since after all, both have committed what you'd call 'religiously-motivated' acts of violence. |
| Nonnel:
--- Quote from: beachbum111111 on January 26, 2017, 02:42:44 AM ---Weak technicalities such as "they waged wars in the name of their religion" and "they killed and persecuted religious minorities within their own borders" Are you being paid to be handicapped? --- End quote --- Then you believe every casualty from the European declaration of war on African tribes (the Berlin Conference) and the strife during and after colonial times should be tallied as Christian-caused deaths? |
| beachbum111111:
--- Quote from: Nonnel on January 26, 2017, 02:47:33 AM ---Then you believe every casualty from the European declaration of war on African tribes (the Berlin Conference) and the strife during and after colonial times should be tallied as Christian-caused deaths? --- End quote --- Big difference between "new imperialism" and "deus vult" |
| beachbum111111:
--- Quote from: SeventhSandwich on January 26, 2017, 02:45:41 AM ---So what's the actual threshold where we can say that a religion is 'violent'? It's obviously in the tens/hundreds of millions for both Christianity and Islam? Do you have like an actual figure in mind, or is it just some line that you've arbitrarily drawn lower than Islam and higher than Christianity? Why don't you think both religions are violent, since after all, both have committed what you'd call 'religiously-motivated' acts of violence. --- End quote --- I guess what I'm trying to say is that with Christians it was generally lower until it petered out. That never happened with Islam. Islams biggest problem is that it never really had a reformation, there was never a Muslim enlightenment era |
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