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Is art Good?
Juncoph:
--- Quote from: Mega-Bear on January 29, 2017, 02:40:18 PM ---I don't have much to work with though. I do find it interesting to think about the weathering on the wood, but there is not much substance to it otherwise. Would you like to share your interpretation or continue misrepresenting my own arguments?
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not much to work with?!
look at how cracked and faded the wood stain has become. there is age and longevity here, yet decay. furthermore, there is some sort of red substance in blotches, perhaps signifying impurity and past mistakes that can never be undone.
and the direction of the grain! if we follow it like we follow words in a book, we see it descend. perhaps it represents a fall? a tragedy?
McJob:
--- Quote from: Mega-Bear on January 29, 2017, 02:36:35 PM ---But, as an arrangement of shape and color by an emotional being, it is inherently communicating something.
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Just because something "appears" to communicate, doesn't mean it actually is. If it fails to give a clear message, than it's not communicating.
--- Quote from: Mega-Bear on January 29, 2017, 02:36:35 PM ---My only argument is that all art communicates, you seem to be getting the wrong impression from what I'm saying.
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And yet you've failed to prove as such. The process of communication isn't as simple as "there's something buried in the subtext here." Communication is not passive; it's an active process and only becomes communication when there's understanding.
Two people yelling at each other across a loud pub and not understanding what the other is saying isn't communication, even though they're both talking.
--- Quote from: Mega-Bear on January 29, 2017, 02:36:35 PM ---You guys are taking what I said wrong. My point is all art communicates, regardless of quality. Don't freak out like children and think I'm defending the lowest order of effort. Far too many assumptions are being made on your parts right now.
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It's not that we're taking your message wrong, it's that you're failing to understand what we're telling you. I studied this stuff for years.
It's funny; in a way you're correct. Art communicates. But you're branching in things that don't communicate as "art", which is simply incorrect.
Maxwell.:
--- Quote from: Mega-Bear on January 29, 2017, 02:36:35 PM ---You're assuming it's meant to be interpreted as "deep."
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okay whatever, I'll just leave this here because that piece is actually trying to be sold for money. I don't see it communicating anything and I never will.
Mega-Bear:
Juncoph, I really don't understand the point you're trying to make.
If you re-read my posts I'm agreeing with McJob that there is a such thing as low-effort, uninteresting art. He suggests however that this makes art uncommunicative; I suggest that all art communicates, some pieces more effectively than others. edit: though see below, he changed my mind
You're constructing a strawman that I find ALL art to be extremely meaningful, which I do not.
--- Quote from: McJob on January 29, 2017, 02:45:08 PM ---Just because something "appears" to communicate, doesn't mean it actually is. If it fails to give a clear message, than it's not communicating.
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Fair point.
--- Quote from: McJob on January 29, 2017, 02:45:08 PM ---It's funny; in a way you're correct. Art communicates. But you're branching in things that don't communicate as "art", which is simply incorrect.
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Hmm, you do make a lot of sense. In fact if I translate your argument to music, the only medium I really know anything about, it essentially boils down to "what is music and what is noise?" In which case I have to say you're right, I misunderstood what you were saying earlier, and I do agree. :)
--- Quote from: Maxwell. on January 29, 2017, 02:46:32 PM ---okay whatever, I'll just leave this here because that piece is actually trying to be sold for money. I don't see it communicating anything and I never will.
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I don't really care for monetary values assigned to art. Maybe somebody buys the piece because it looks good in their minimalist home, who cares. It's not a great piece to begin with anyway.
Maxwell.:
--- Quote from: Mega-Bear on January 29, 2017, 02:49:48 PM ---You're constructing a strawman that I find ALL art to be extremely meaningful, which I do not.
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--- Quote from: Mega-Bear on January 29, 2017, 01:59:33 PM ---(1) All art communicates no matter what it is, there is no such thing as non-communicative art.
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excuse me for taking you too literal the first time, then