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| [NEWS] Violent UC Berkeley riots force cancellation of Milo Yiannopoulos event |
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| Aide33:
--- Quote from: beachbum111111 on February 05, 2017, 05:03:28 PM ---Like it's not even fun to rag on Tony at this point. He has such low self esteem that he doesn't even fight back. The only way to garner a reaction out of him is if you say that No Mans Sky is a stuffty game. --- End quote --- this is so true ahaha |
| SeventhSandwich:
--- Quote from: Badspot on February 05, 2017, 03:03:59 PM ---So a termite drops out of the wall and you think the issue is just that one termite? How many instances of campus insanity do you want? Pick a number. Honestly just this latest incident should be enough - Milo says that trigger warnings are bullstuff, fat shaming works, and that cities and universities don't have the right to subvert federal immigration law, and 1000+ people come out to protest with 150 rioters? It's widespread infantile madness. --- End quote --- The Milo event at UC Berkeley is essentially the first university-riot of 2017, and it's been a month. Going off of that data, it stands to reason we might see a dozen or so similar incidents this year. That's probably generous since I don't think there were over a dozen university-riots last year. There's over 2,500 public and private 4-year universities in the US, which means that we can reasonably expect maybe 0.5% of these schools to have issues with violent riots in 2017. I don't know if it's possible for someone to come up with an exact percentage-number for when incidents become pervasive issues, but I definitely don't think it's fair to generalize universities as factories for regressive, violent liberals when >99% of schools don't even have this issue. It's also worthwhile to note that UC Berkeley is an absolutely gigantic school in a city with a historic record for radical protests. That 'termite in the wall' metaphor is exactly the problem with the way you're thinking about this. Every single political ideology in the US has 'termites falling out of the wall'. It doesn't mean that we are a nation of termites. --- Quote from: Badspot on February 05, 2017, 03:03:59 PM ---If you want to talk about overreacting - what's the chant these days? "No _____, No kool kids klub, no fascist USA". How many kool kids klub members do you think there actually are? They had a march a while ago and they had like 8 people. Anyone in the kool kids klub is already a national pariah. --- End quote --- The kool kids klub and neo-national socialists as organizations are functionally non-existent because nobody wants to listen to someone who identifies as a kool kids klub or national socialist Party member. That doesn't mean that the kool kids klub way-of-thinking is completely gone. It's just undergone re-branding, and they've done a really good job at it too. They aren't calling for a return to Jim Crow laws, they're just calling for more pervasive 'anti-drug' laws. If you aren't paying attention, it's almost hard to tell that they're saying the same thing. --- Quote from: Badspot on February 05, 2017, 03:03:59 PM ---How would you have phrased it? In your own words, tell us how the DNC chair should shut down white people without looking like a tribal. --- End quote --- "We have elected a government this year that is far less representative and responsive to the issues faced by 37% of our population. I promise to hold our elected officials accountable for the rights of people who don't share their background." I'd like to think that this is what she was trying to say, but obviously it came off uncouth and tribal. |
| Master Matthew²:
--- Quote from: SeventhSandwich on February 05, 2017, 05:33:50 PM ---The Milo event at UC Berkeley is essentially the first university-riot of 2017, and it's been a month. Going off of that data, it stands to reason we might see a dozen or so similar incidents this year. That's probably generous since I don't think there were over a dozen university-riots last year. There's over 2,500 public and private 4-year universities in the US, which means that we can reasonably expect maybe 0.5% of these schools to have issues with violent riots in 2017. --- End quote --- The problem isn't the number, the problem is you think it is normal that this happened. --- Quote from: SeventhSandwich on February 05, 2017, 05:33:50 PM ---I don't know if it's possible for someone to come up with an exact percentage-number for when incidents become pervasive issues, but I definitely don't think it's fair to generalize universities as factories for regressive, violent liberals when >99% of schools don't even have this issue. It's also worthwhile to note that UC Berkeley is an absolutely gigantic school in a city with a historic record for radical protests. --- End quote --- 99% of schools also can't be visted by this man to challenge their views and show their nature over the course of 365 days. There just isn't enough time to prove this in a year. --- Quote from: SeventhSandwich on February 05, 2017, 05:33:50 PM ---That 'termite in the wall' metaphor is exactly the problem with the way you're thinking about this. Every single political ideology in the US has 'termites falling out of the wall'. It doesn't mean that we are a nation of termites. --- End quote --- No, but we are a nation of ignoring issues until they get out of hand, and this is a forgettarded way of dealing with issues. Why must we wait until things get out of control to act? --- Quote from: SeventhSandwich on February 05, 2017, 05:33:50 PM ---The kool kids klub and neo-national socialists as organizations are functionally non-existent because nobody wants to listen to someone who identifies as a kool kids klub or national socialist Party member. That doesn't mean that the kool kids klub way-of-thinking is completely gone. It's just undergone re-branding, and they've done a really good job at it too. They aren't calling for a return to Jim Crow laws, they're just calling for more pervasive 'anti-drug' laws. If you aren't paying attention, it's almost hard to tell that they're saying the same thing. --- End quote --- Honestly, I have to agree that the anti-drug laws are very much a tribal issue, but I don't see how this has to do with people flipping stuff and rioting over a defunct set of groups. I'm certain you're right that racism has undergone change, but this childish tirade of, ironically enough, fascist mindsets to shutdown anyone who is deemed to be 'tribal' does two loving points of damage. Number one this devalues the word 'tribal' into something it should never have been, instead we equate racism to 'jokes' and 'mean words' which devalues actions like threatening people based off skin color and attempting to suppress people based of skin color. Since this word has become so devalued, anyone who uses it, regardless of the context, will be seen as an overly offended sjw, which is very loving bad. Number two, this attempt at censorship will ultimately bite them in the ass and result in the very thing they think they're fighting against, growing in strength and actually taking over. Sorry, but the 'Alt-Right' as it is is not the new age 'national socialists' you are wishing to fight. The SJWs that are imposing these violent mindsets will giveway to truly disgusting people taking up both verbal and physical arms. --- Quote from: SeventhSandwich on February 05, 2017, 05:33:50 PM ---"We have elected a government this year that is far less representative and responsive to the issues faced by 37% of our population. I promise to hold our elected officials accountable for the rights of people who don't share their background." --- End quote --- So you're saying we should focus our efforts on 37% of the country at the cost of 63% of the country? What kind of Democratic-Republic or even Democracy works like that? Also, this was clearly a rhetorical question. --- Quote from: SeventhSandwich on February 05, 2017, 05:33:50 PM ---I'd like to think that this is what she was trying to say, but obviously it came off uncouth and tribal. --- End quote --- Well if she had said that she wouldn't have come off as tribal, she would have come off as a completely ignorant politician, why the forget would you focus your efforts own the lower percentile? At this point you have gone and become a reverse 1% Politician, instead of looking out for the Rich though, you look out for the poor. This leaves the Middle Class getting forgeted, resulting in the current situation we are currently in. Clearly Neither party cared about the middle class. Sorry to those who thought I was "Full Republican", I like Annoying Orange because he clearly doesn't hold back for either party and he is willing to enforce policies for the middle class. |
| Trymos:
--- Quote from: Master Matthew² on February 05, 2017, 06:10:28 PM ---99% of schools also can't be visted by this man to challenge their views and show their nature over the course of 365 days. --- End quote --- THIS JUST IN: MILO IS PROVEN TO BE THE SOLE CAUSE OF RIOTS i know what you actually mean but loving hell improve your english lad |
| SeventhSandwich:
--- Quote from: Master Matthew² on February 05, 2017, 06:10:28 PM ---No, but we are a nation of ignoring issues until they get out of hand, and this is a forgettarded way of dealing with issues. Why must we wait until things get out of control to act? --- End quote --- Normally, I embargo arguing with you, but I'm gonna make an exception since this is an actually important question. I'm not at all opposed to people reporting on and speaking out against violence and riots. I am fully aware that riots are an ineffective way of changing society, and I recognize that it's important for the good of society to shut that stuff down. What I oppose is this philosophy among internet reactionaries that because a small number of liberals/BLM members/whatever engage in violent protest, it means that everyone in those groups is a violent radical. What follows from this mindset is that the issues that they're actually rioting about are rendered illegitimate and nobody wants to fix them anymore, which is ultimately even more disastrous than the protests themselves. You can see it on the internet already. Any time a discussion comes up about police brutality, it devolves into 'look at what these BLM members did in ___'. Of course, this wouldn't be a problem if there were never riots to begin with, but history has shown us that there will always be riots when significant social issues are left unresolved by the powers at be. I think there is a reasonable, bipartisan compromise for this issue. We can both decry riots and violence, while at the same time looking at the issues people are rioting about. We don't have to divide ourselves by party lines and force ourselves to either defend rioters or defend police brutality. There's absolutely a middle-ground here. |
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