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[NEWS] Violent UC Berkeley riots force cancellation of Milo Yiannopoulos event
SeventhSandwich:
--- Quote from: rambo1220 on February 02, 2017, 02:07:09 AM ---or what you mean to say is "despite himself not supporting any form of white supremacy or any races supremacy and being accepting of every creed and race with the exception of radical islam, I disagree with him so I will now demonize him as a national socialist regardless of the evidence telling otherwise"
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Jeez, lol. I don't think my playful exaggeration came off the way I intended.
--- Quote from: Tactical Nuke on February 02, 2017, 02:02:03 AM ---the entire system leans to the left which is very unhealthy for the maturing mind considering they're only hearing one side of the argument
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I think this is moreso a function of the incoming students rather than how the universities actually teach. My school has a famous reputation for political apathy, but we're still predominantly liberal.
Nonnel:
maybe instead of some elaborate communist scheme, educated people just naturally become more liberal? no, that's too wild.
Badspot:
--- Quote from: Nonnel on February 02, 2017, 04:00:30 AM ---maybe instead of some elaborate communist scheme, educated people just naturally become more liberal? no, that's too wild.
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They're not educated, they're indoctrinated. No person educated in subject of history or economics would willingly label themselves a communist and fly the hammer and sickle. No person with any logical thinking skills would label themselves an anarchist, fly an anarchist flag (wtf?), then take to the streets to break stuff.
Badspot:
--- Quote from: IkeTheGeneric on February 02, 2017, 02:10:01 AM ---Where did I say violent?
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The subject is violence/hostilities. Someone asked for clarification, you said:
--- Quote from: IkeTheGeneric on February 02, 2017, 01:28:13 AM ---openly gay republican rabble-rouser who talks really loudly and has gained a rather outspokenly hostile cult following
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There's negative connotation on the term "rabble-rouser", indicating that you think he stirs up trouble intentionally (the trouble at hand is a riot). You said he has a hostile cult following, implying mindless followers. You said he talks loudly, implying some kind of unjustified influence over these mindless drones (he doens't talk "persuasively", it's just loud ie he bombards them with bad ideas). The whole sentence implies that he whipped up a crowd of his own followers into this riot or that somehow his followers are to blame for provoking people. The second option fits right in with a popular far left narrative going around that it's acceptable to respond to words and ideas with actual physical violence (punch a national socialist, etc)
If that's not what you meant to say then you should chose your words more carefully.
SWAT One:
--- Quote from: SeventhSandwich on February 02, 2017, 03:23:54 AM ---I think this is moreso a function of the incoming students rather than how the universities actually teach. My school has a famous reputation for political apathy, but we're still predominantly liberal.
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[tired_rant]I wouldn't necessarily agree. Although I am no authority on the topic, it seems more reasonable that school administrators would more or less capitulate to an increasingly enraged generation. I honestly have had history professors asking "well what do you think happened" following an open-ended lesson. History isn't about speculation, even for historians who need a bit of speculation to create a logical result. The paramount ingredient is factual evidence, and this sets a poor precedent. The same thing occurred in a political science class, where most of the time, it was this guy spreading hyper-leftist propaganda. Factual evidence was involved, but it was mostly speculation leading to emotional approaches to something that should have covered a more matter-of-fact history of "what we know" and "what we don't know". No lines were drawn, and a lot of the lecture hall ate it up. It would be reasonable to expect good professor evaluations for professors which agreed with their students. But opinions have taken a larger role in academia than they should have. Part of the reasons on why I'm taking an academic leave. I'm upset that the academic world really took strides away from critical brown townysis and logical methods.[/tired_rant]
--- Quote from: Badspot on February 02, 2017, 04:26:32 AM ---They're not educated, they're indoctrinated. No person educated in subject of history or economics would willingly label themselves a communist and fly the hammer and sickle. No person with any logical thinking skills would label themselves an anarchist, fly an anarchist flag (wtf?), then take to the streets to break stuff.
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Seems more fitting for a Venn Diagram. Knowledge (education) can always be used for vile purposes given poor morals (indoctrination). Given a capacity to manipulate, that can make some people very, very dangerous.