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| Badspot:
--- Quote from: LeisureSuit912 on February 02, 2017, 10:33:10 AM ---people protest and use civil disobedience at your events because they don't want to hear what you have to say --- End quote --- You can protest. You have the right to say whatever you like in response. You don't have the right to beat people up, smash windows and start fires to prevent other people from speaking. |
| PhantOS:
everybody knows that the best way to deal with people having a different opinion is to be violent towards them maturity at its finest |
| SeventhSandwich:
--- Quote from: Badspot on February 02, 2017, 10:58:33 AM ---You can protest. You have the right to say whatever you like in response. You don't have the right to beat people up, smash windows and start fires to prevent other people from speaking. --- End quote --- I don't think anyone disputes that though. Even in the most radical left-wing circles, you aren't going to find many people who want to actually legalize violent civil disobedience. From a liberal perspective, the problem with the conservative mantra against violent protest is that they're usually exaggerating and over-generalizing the protestors as violent, and they're using it as a tool to make the issues illegitimate. Their mentality is basically, "A small percentage of BLM/Hillary supporters/whatever broke a window and flipped a cop car, so the stuff they're protesting about doesn't matter." The way I see it is that violent protest is inherently symptomatic of problems in society, and it doesn't actually go away unless you fix the problem. It still means we have to arrest the protestors and disperse the crowds, but the long-term solution is to actually take a second look at the issues they're protesting about. |
| Tactical Nuke:
--- Quote from: PhantOS on February 02, 2017, 11:19:19 AM ---everybody knows that the best way to deal with people having a different opinion is to be violent towards them maturity at its finest --- End quote --- even better than that is when you destroy your own campus because "wahhhhhh he's a meanie-bo-beenie!!!!1!!111!!1111!!1!!" --- Quote from: SeventhSandwich on February 02, 2017, 11:20:45 AM ---I don't think anyone disputes that though. Even in the most radical left-wing circles, you aren't going to find many people who want to actually legalize violent civil disobedience. From a liberal perspective, the problem with the conservative mantra against violent protest is that they're usually exaggerating and over-generalizing the protestors as violent, and they're using it as a tool to make the issues illegitimate. Their mentality is basically, "A small percentage of BLM/Hillary supporters/whatever broke a window and flipped a cop car, so the stuff they're protesting about doesn't matter." The way I see it is that violent protest is inherently symptomatic of problems in society, and it doesn't actually go away unless you fix the problem. It still means we have to arrest the protestors and disperse the crowds, but the long-term solution is to actually take a second look at the issues they're protesting about. --- End quote --- that's not progress then that's chickening out and just giving them what they want because you want them to stop destroying stuff it's literally Godfather-like capitulation if some guy you've never met before came into your house, smashed all your dishes, peed all over your walls and bed and keyed your car with a blow torch, all the while demanding to be treated fairly, would you reasonably wish to treat him fairly? yeah, probably not ever it seems people have just up and forgot that progress can be achieved through non-violent means MLK's civil rights movement Gandhi's movement against colonialism the list goes on meanwhile, the more significant revolutions (excepting the American Revolution) that were fought through violence and enforced through violence have pretty much collapsed underneath their own paranoia and destruction French Revolution Russian (Communist) Revolution yada yada |
| PhantOS:
I think that in this time and place, violent protest isn't necessary. Under a totalitarian government that executes peaceful protesters, violent protest would definitely be justified. I would justify violent protests in the 1800s if it was against slavery because peaceful protest would just get you lynched, but here peaceful protest is perfectly legal and people should explore that option before turning to violence. Destroying other people's stuff just because they express a different opinion is petty. Destroying other people's stuff because you want to make a point, get noticed or make a change where peaceful protest wouldn't work is completely justified. |
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