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[NEWS] Violent UC Berkeley riots force cancellation of Milo Yiannopoulos event
SeventhSandwich:
--- Quote from: Badspot on February 02, 2017, 12:11:08 PM ---Did you miss LeisureSuit912's posts? Or #punchanational socialist?
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I didn't, but the prevailing attitude among my liberal circle of friends is that the national socialist getting punched was funny but at the same time socially inexcusable. There's a couple of people that I know who think that punching national socialists is a valid method of 'self-defense' for social justice movements. They are idiots, and it's a bad idea to popularize the idea that punching people over non-violent disputes is an appropriate mode of social change.
The way I see it is that finding humor in the misfortune of bad people is already basic human nature. Obviously we've got to arrest the guy that punched him, but I don't feel guilty for finding it amusing on a strictly personal level.
--- Quote from: Badspot on February 02, 2017, 12:11:08 PM ---The issue is that a few hundred anarchists riot but the entire left side of the aisle cheers. Celebrities and the media openly speak out against democratic elections and free speech itself. No one even seems to be able to articulate what they're protesting, it's just "REEEE GET OUT national socialist".
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I don't think that the entire left is 'cheering' for riots. It's just a discrepancy in what different people value most in society. Liberals are more likely to value equality and social progress over short-term social order. It would be nice if we could have our cake and eat it too - protest social injustices without violence and other unfortunate bullstuff - but that stuff is pretty much always going to happen. Ignoring real problems and delaying social progress because of a small handful of rioters is far more damaging to society than broken windows and torched cop cars. This is a fact proven by history.
Corderlain:
--- Quote from: Ipquarx on February 02, 2017, 12:31:32 PM ---Yes I'm aware, that's why I quoted the #punchanational socialist part.
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Sorry ninja'd. I think that falls under fighting words. Punchanational socialist is basically the knockout challenge where the Buzz punch was a direct harrassment and confrentation.
Zloff:
--- Quote from: PhantOS on February 02, 2017, 12:03:27 PM ---Destroying other people's stuff just because they express a different opinion is petty. Destroying other people's stuff because you want to make a point, get noticed or make a change where peaceful protest wouldn't work is completely justified.
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are you telling me that you think some "protesting" morons deciding to stomp around on top of my car or smash my office's windows - the destruction of private property without consent - would be justified because their highway blocking didn't make a clear enough point?
SeventhSandwich:
--- Quote from: PhantOS on February 02, 2017, 12:03:27 PM ---Destroying other people's stuff because you want to make a point, get noticed or make a change where peaceful protest wouldn't work is completely justified.
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I disagree with this on a factual basis. Sociologists have looked at the success of social movements, and the ones that pursue their means non-violently are always more effective on average.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/11/05/peaceful-protest-is-much-more-effective-than-violence-in-toppling-dictators/?utm_term=.0b52f843b459
--- Quote from: Tactical Nuke on February 02, 2017, 11:30:41 AM ---that's not progress then
that's chickening out and just giving them what they want because you want them to stop destroying stuff
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People capitulate because a large portion of society wants change. The occasional riots are just a side-effect, and usually they aren't the reason why society does change. For instance, there were violent riots during the American Revolution, during the Civil Rights Movement, and during the Vietnam era. Are riots the reason why society changed on those issues?
Bisjac:
im still not sure what they were actually protesting. from the signs they had and the chants they used, it was 100% pro fascist rioting lol.
if they are so tough why dont they just start the war they claimed they want. their side have been unprepared for it for 100s of years and this is how they start?