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Petition to recognize antifa as domestic terrorism
PhantOS:
--- Quote from: TableSalt on February 03, 2017, 02:20:53 PM ---ooh scary big words like proposed and thorough you got me there
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see i saw your posts in the harvest thread and thought you were semi annoying but now i've changed my mind; you're actually fully annoying
--- Quote from: Rally on February 03, 2017, 02:22:11 PM ---ok but you didn't actually propose a thorough argument you just made a bunch of conjecture with no supporting evidence
like these people "acting of their own volition" or whatever the forget are actively and proudly displaying their allegiance to antifa in most cases and also find sanctuary and protection from police in large groups of "moderate" and "peaceful" anti-fa protesters who totally don't support violence. if anti-fa was serious about being peaceful they'd actively seek out and ostracize/report these violent rioters
but they don't, because we all know that anti-fa benefits from the intimidation provided by these people "acting of their own collective" because they can instantly turn around and say "theyre acting of their own collective bro nothing to do with me"
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but that's the very thing i'm telling you. they are acting on their own collective. it doesn't matter if other members of antifa refuse to recognize it as a crime or condemn it, those who do that are complete handicaps. what matters is that antifa as a movement/group/organization doesn't visibly support that small collective of organized rioters who attacked Milo's event.
Known terrorist groups like IRA, CIA, Al qaeda, Hezbollah etc. all organize their own terror attacks, make it publicly known AND continue to take responsibility for the attacks and further support it. So far, antifa has shown that the first and second aspect is up in the air, and the third hasn't actually been done yet. Plus, antifa has no central leadership or organization since it's a loving movement, and therefore cannot command or decide on attacks.
If you have a tweet or message from whoever runs Antifa's website or coordination that says "shut this event down using violent means!" then I will be convinced without doubt that it is a terrorist faction. Until I see that, it is to be assumed that the attackers have no say or decision over antifa's actions, and acted on their own.
TableSalt:
--- Quote from: PhantOS on February 03, 2017, 02:27:52 PM ---see i saw your posts in the harvest thread and thought you were semi annoying but now i've changed my mind; you're actually fully annoying
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oh noes :(
King Tøny:
Alright for example so a group of bikers known as the Hell's Angles go to some establishments to protest. Only a handful on their own members blow up the building and kill a bunch of people.
Is it not a terrorist group if they didn't organize the bombings?
PhantOS:
Dylan Roof supported the neo national socialist & white supremacist movement, and decided one day to shoot up a historically black church. He was charged for everything that he did, which is correct. However, Neo national socialists didn't order or take credit for his attack on the church- he acted on his own, even though he flew the white supremacy flag. He acted on his own, independent of the movement or organization that he followed. Were there white supremacists that support him? yes. Were there white supremacists that think what he did was horrible? yes. However, the movement of white supremacy isn't responsible for what he did.
This same exact thing applies to antifa. So far, there is no evidence that antifa made the decision or order to carry out the attack on Milo's supporters. Until then, antifa cannot conceivably be held responsible for it. Those who perpetrated the crimes, however, can be, and they should by all means.
--- Quote from: King Tøny on February 03, 2017, 02:31:00 PM ---Alright for example so a group of bikers known as the Hell's Angles go to some establishments to protest. Only a handful on their own members blow up the building and kill a bunch of people.
Is it not a terrorist group if they didn't organize the bombings?
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If they didn't organize the bombings, they are not a terrorist group. If antifa didn't organize the violence, keyword violence, that ensued at the event, they are not a terrorist group.
If 100 antifa people go to protest and 20 of them decide to go on a shooting spree, those 20 that committed the crime should be charged. If the 80 that didn't ordered them to do it, they should be held responsible for ordering it. However, if those 80 didn't have anything to do with the shooting, they should be let go, since they didn't commit a crime. This is what justice is- arresting people who commit crimes, not arresting people because they believe in the same ideology as the criminals.
King Tøny:
Didn't realize you had to organize a bombing that could potentially kill hundreds of people to be recognized as terrorism.
Unorganized bombings are okay though.