Anthony Fantano takes on PJW's "The Truth on Popular Culture"

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Mega-Bear:
Ahh I see you were in fact referring to pop music then. In that case you're right. If possible I would be interested in reading your paper, if you could PM me a link or something. : )

Nonnel:
I'll see if I still have it!

Tactical Nuke:

--- Quote from: Mega-Bear on February 08, 2017, 08:37:42 PM ---Why did you say "in music" then discuss only pop? It's no secret mainstream pop is growing formulaic and unambitious. But there are many very exciting artists releasing interesting music these days, so I'm very confused why you would talk as if all music is declining.

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why haven't I heard of it then
you think that this exciting new music would be talked about but all I know is that is exciting
I don't know what genre it is, who made it, how much of it there is, and that's disregarding the fact that I may not like it

by all means if you want to show me some of this then go ahead
but the fact that I haven't heard of it until now is indicative that music has gone downhill, because when pop got bad back then you knew about all the alternatives

--- Quote from: Mega-Bear on February 08, 2017, 08:37:42 PM ---Also for the record the advent of synthetic timbres was a godsend.

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that's debatable

I'm not saying synthesizers and electric keyboards are bad; they're amazing
I'm a fan of Genesis, and the next best thing to Peter Gabriel and Phil Collins is Tony Banks's other-worldly keyboard playing

but electronic instruments are like autotune in that they're very easy to abuse; any schoolboy could plug a tune into a computer and get it to play back over his shrill, robotic voice to cover up the fact that he's not able to sing or play an instrument

while it has majorly heightened music, it has also severely degraded it

--- Quote from: Nonnel on February 08, 2017, 09:12:24 PM ---happy beach boys songs came in and they were really shallow.

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I'm a massive Beach Boys fan and where I could PA you and call you a handicap, I'll instead point you to their later stuff
they're like the Beatles in that way; it's still a little lubby-dubby but it's much deeper and way more interesting

I'd start with "Cool Cool Water", it's my dad's favorite song out of their repertoire, for good cause

also don't you try to deny that "God Only Knows" is the best love song ever written

Nonnel:

--- Quote from: Nonnel on February 08, 2017, 09:25:55 PM ---I'll see if I still have it!

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update: i don't :[

Mega-Bear:

--- Quote from: Tactical Nuke on February 09, 2017, 11:38:43 PM ---why haven't I heard of it then
you think that this exciting new music would be talked about but all I know is that is exciting
I don't know what genre it is, who made it, how much of it there is, and that's disregarding the fact that I may not like it

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How much time do you actively spend discovering new music? It's not going to fall into your lap. And it is in fact being talked about. You really sound like you haven't put in any effort at all.

I don't get what you're saying about electronic instruments being easy to abuse either. What even is "abuse" of an instrument? People made similar arguments about electric guitars and hip swinging when rock and roll was on the come-up. "Anybody can plug in an electric guitar and strum the strings!" Yeah so? Where's the harm in someone playing with a guitar or vocoder? People used distortion to cover up poor playing the same way people now use a vocoder to mask poor singing. It's not getting praise. Lol.

Also Nonnel clearly was talking about late-50s Beach Boys. They were admittedly very simplistic and lacking substance until Brian became the primary songwriter in the mid-60s. That's when the group took off to reach great heights.

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