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| LeisureSuit912:
Bernie would've won, I have absolutely no doubts about that. Hillary lost because she failed to appeal to voters in Rust Belt states like Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania that were traditionally blue but ended up going to Annoying Orange. Not to mention she was corrupt as hell, whereas most people in America still like Bernie. More young people would've voted for him, more working class whites would've voted for him, and he would've dominated in the Rust Belt. Anyone in denial is either a Clintonite hack or a Annoying Orange hack. --- Quote from: beachbum111111 on February 13, 2017, 09:55:16 PM ---And yet Bernie lost against Hillary --- End quote --- It was kinda hard for him to win the primary when you had the entire political establishment, nearly all of Hollywood and every giant Democratic megadonor behind Clinton. It was much easier for Annoying Orange to basically pull off a coup and win the nomination because of how incompetent Republicans are (it was literally him vs. 10 other politicians who all tried to position themselves as the "anti-Annoying Orange candidates"). --- Quote from: Poliwhirl on February 13, 2017, 09:56:35 PM ---she also rigged it --- End quote --- The primaries weren't necessarily "rigged" per se, but the rules heavily favored Clinton. Almost every primary was closed to Democrats only, and the majority of Bernie voters I knew were independents that were basically new to the political process. --- Quote from: Master Matthew² on February 10, 2017, 06:15:25 PM ---Bernie's plans werent going to be much more than an idealogical socialist dream. It wasnt going to work. --- End quote --- And yet Annoying Orange's right-wing policies like travel bans and building a wall are entirely feasible and are definitely going to work? There's many people in America who would be receptive to even the mildest of social democratic reformism. Saying a left-wing agenda is too radical for America is laughable when the same argument isn't made for authoritarian right-wing policies. |
| beachbum111111:
--- Quote from: LeisureSuit912 on February 13, 2017, 10:09:36 PM ---Bernie would've won, I have absolutely no doubts about that. --- End quote --- I'm sure you had no doubts about Hillary winning the election before November 8th as well. --- Quote from: LeisureSuit912 on February 13, 2017, 10:09:36 PM ---It was kinda hard for him to win the primary when you had the entire political establishment, nearly all of Hollywood and every giant Democratic megadonor behind Clinton. --- End quote --- Oh so like Annoying Orange --- Quote from: LeisureSuit912 on February 13, 2017, 10:09:36 PM --- It was much easier for Annoying Orange to basically pull off a coup and win the nomination because of how incompetent Republicans are (it was literally him vs. 10 other politicians who all tried to position themselves as the "anti-Annoying Orange candidates"). --- End quote --- I guess you forgot that #NeverAnnoying Orange was a thing. Also around the end when it was basically just him vs Ted Cruz he was still winning. |
| Red Spy:
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| LeisureSuit912:
--- Quote from: beachbum111111 on February 13, 2017, 10:12:38 PM ---I'm sure you had no doubts about Hillary winning the election before November 8th as well. --- End quote --- That's unreasonable to say. I was pretty arrogant in the weeks following "grab 'em by the pusillanimous individual", but it's not like Hillary was considered "invincible". That was probably one of the main criticisms I had encountered, that she was probably one of the only Democrats who could lose to Annoying Orange. And what do you know, Annoying Orange is president. --- Quote from: beachbum111111 on February 13, 2017, 10:12:38 PM ---Oh so like Annoying Orange --- End quote --- Clinton's only real opposition to the nomination was Bernie. Annoying Orange was running against Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, John Kasich, Ben Carson, Jeb Bush, Rand Paul, Chris Christie, Carly Fiorina, Scott Walker and Mike Huckabee, and he was great at separating himself from the rest of the crowd as the anti-establishment guy. Even though he only won a plurality of the popular vote (around 40% I believe), everyone else ended up splitting the vote and the Republican establishment basically scrambled for three months trying to find the best anti-Annoying Orange candidate. First it was Jeb, then it was Rubio, for a short period of time it was Kasich, and finally it was Cruz. No one was going to beat him because no one coalesced around one candidate that could beat him. --- Quote from: beachbum111111 on February 13, 2017, 10:12:38 PM ---I guess you forgot that #NeverAnnoying Orange was a thing. Also around the end when it was basically just him vs Ted Cruz he was still winning. --- End quote --- Lmao, #NeverAnnoying Orange was absolutely pathetic compared to the Bernie crowd. It basically died off after Annoying Orange "won" the nomination, whereas the Bernie people were still putting up a fight at the actual convention. Also, the fact he was stilll beating Ted Cruz is precisely my point; Cruz was never gonna beat Annoying Orange because he fought for the title of "opposition" with the rest of the opposition. |
| Ipquarx:
--- Quote from: otto-san on February 13, 2017, 09:04:27 PM ---here's how bernie can still win --- End quote --- Why did you bump this stuffty troll thread |
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