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[PJW] "Conservatism is the new Counter-Culture"
McZealot:
I don't think liberalism breeds intelligence or open-mindedness, I think those things breeds liberalism. There are smart conservatives (like Wall-Street brokers) and moron liberals (like the gang-members of Detroit) but if you take a survey of your average advanced placement class or even higher education course there will be a SIGNIFICANT higher percent of liberalism than in the general population. I don't know if I'd say it's 'intelligence' exactly, so maybe that's all a bit misleading. I think it stems from a level of higher thinking--being able to look past your own perceptions of things to understand higher concepts like physics and political geography. When you open your minds to these things you also become more sympathetic to refugees and people on welfare because while you might have personally perceived them as leeches to society you can begin to sympathize while you open your mind. While you personally don't like paying taxes you can understand how important they are to your quality of life and that of the people around you and feel better about doing so.
For those reasons I wouldn't say liberals are better at STEM, but I would say people who are good in STEM are also more liberal.
LeisureSuit912:
This whole attitude of "oh, conservatives are the new counter-culture" is part of this whole desperate rebranding thing the right has been trying to do since Gamergate, which is to look "cool". It's something I see in Milo Yiannopoulos, Steven Crowder, Paul Joseph Watson, Sargon and the other right-wing pundits whose careers are built on "triggering feminational socialists!!!", and it's something the alt-right tries to do with memes, because it's for the sole purpose of trying to look cool up against the SJW liberals.
The reason this idea of having conservatism be "punk" or "counter-culture" is hilarious is because these people invest so much power and integrity into these hierarchies that control society and yet try and paint themselves as these rebellious types going against the status quo while promoting a hyperreal version of it at the same time. Hell, Paul Joseph Watson makes this video about how punk conservatives at the same time he talks about how it's bad that popular culture is sooo taboo. Conservatives have been trying to paint themselves as "punks" since the 1980s and it's always failed and reverted to the same old dumb hierarchies they've always worshiped.
--- Quote from: McZealot on February 11, 2017, 06:40:18 PM ---'conservatives are more attractive' uh?????????? what the hell makes him think there is some sort of correlation there? I imagine these statistics are EXTREMELY narrow and similar if there is a correlation at all. 90% of left-wing activists are unemployed people living with their parents? what the hell?! that state seems insanely dubious to throw out. this dude is actually insane. "left wingers are fat and ugly" lmao dude YOU WORK FOR Humble Water Filter Merchant WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
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LMAO that's the funniest part. It's great seeing all these right-wingers follow PJW like he's this open-minded intellectual and his arguments end up devolving into "leftists r fat & stupid lol".
Red Spy:
--- Quote from: McZealot on February 11, 2017, 10:30:01 PM ---I don't think liberalism breeds intelligence or open-mindedness, I think those things breeds liberalism. There are smart conservatives (like Wall-Street brokers) and moron liberals (like the gang-members of Detroit) but if you take a survey of your average advanced placement class or even higher education course there will be a SIGNIFICANT higher percent of liberalism than in the general population. I don't know if I'd say it's 'intelligence' exactly, so maybe that's all a bit misleading. I think it stems from a level of higher thinking--being able to look past your own perceptions of things to understand higher concepts like physics and political geography. When you open your minds to these things you also become more sympathetic to refugees and people on welfare because while you might have personally perceived them as leeches to society you can begin to sympathize while you open your mind. While you personally don't like paying taxes you can understand how important they are to your quality of life and that of the people around you and feel better about doing so.
For those reasons I wouldn't say liberals are better at STEM, but I would say people who are good in STEM are also more liberal.
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When you say liberalism do you mean the actual liberalism or leftism cause half the post goes one way and the other half goes another
LeisureSuit912:
--- Quote from: Tactical Nuke on February 11, 2017, 06:33:46 PM ---yeah look at all those leftist punks punching people and burning down buildings and dictating who can or can't speak and boiling their opponent's arguments down to their skin color
so fascist counter-culture
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If you're referring to the riots at Milo's planned event at Berkeley, it's not like anybody was preventing him from speaking. He could've easily walked into there and done his event anyways. It probably would've been even better for his reputation if he had gone up and spoken anyways amidst all the protests going on outside. Secondly, Milo has as much a right to free speech as those protestors had a right to assemble and protest his event. And Milo isn't entitled to a platform nor an audience of generous listeners.
--- Quote from: Tactical Nuke on February 11, 2017, 06:33:46 PM ---and this is the conservatives' fault how?
you're aware Flint's government is democrat-controlled, right?
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It's almost like you don't understand the situation behind the Flint water crCIA whatsoever. The governor Rick Snyder, a Republican, appointed several "emergency managers" to the city from 2011 to 2015 that changed the source of the city's water to the Flint River, which has toxic compounds called trihalomethanes in it. Children in the community were being poisoned by the lead in the tap water, but at the same time, Snyder and the rest of his staff were aware of these problems for about a year before they decided to take action. No, the local government isn't responsible for the Flint water crCIA outside of possibly the former mayor, but the Republican government that decided to "save more money" by changing to a poisonous water supply.
--- Quote from: Tactical Nuke on February 11, 2017, 06:33:46 PM ---it's this idea of "we mustn't adopt what works, we must adopt what's trending" policy-wise that's ruining the system, not "ooh let's not change ever we love the past monday monday monday"
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So wait, Democratic politicians are like teenagers jumping on the latest fads to pass legislation on? That's now how politics in general works, I don't even know what you're trying to say here.
--- Quote from: Tactical Nuke on February 11, 2017, 06:33:46 PM --->asserts conservatives are not counter-culture b/c gov't
>leaves out MSM, Hollywood, universities, etc.
totally not counter-culture!
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Because every liberal holds up MSM, Hollywood and universities as the ultimate standards for left-wing politics. C'mon.
SeventhSandwich:
--- Quote from: McZealot on February 11, 2017, 10:30:01 PM ---I don't think liberalism breeds intelligence or open-mindedness, I think those things breeds liberalism. There are smart conservatives (like Wall-Street brokers) and moron liberals (like the gang-members of Detroit) but if you take a survey of your average advanced placement class or even higher education course there will be a SIGNIFICANT higher percent of liberalism than in the general population. I don't know if I'd say it's 'intelligence' exactly, so maybe that's all a bit misleading. I think it stems from a level of higher thinking--being able to look past your own perceptions of things to understand higher concepts like physics and political geography. When you open your minds to these things you also become more sympathetic to refugees and people on welfare because while you might have personally perceived them as leeches to society you can begin to sympathize while you open your mind. While you personally don't like paying taxes you can understand how important they are to your quality of life and that of the people around you and feel better about doing so.
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I don't know if I buy this. I think the correlation probably has more to do with the history of traditionally left-wing states being the industrialized centers of education, while the traditionally right-wing/conservative/etc states were more agrarian with less population and fewer institutions for higher education. I'd like to think that my political philosophies stem from a higher level of thinking, but in reality it's probably more a product of where/how I've grown up.
--- Quote from: McZealot on February 11, 2017, 10:30:01 PM ---For those reasons I wouldn't say liberals are better at STEM, but I would say people who are good in STEM are also more liberal.
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I go to a top STEM school in a predominantly conservative state, and the breakdown seems to be like 75/25 liberals:conservatives. I don't think there's any difference in their prowess or ability that falls on party lines either.