Author Topic: [PLOT TWIST] Wife and Stepson charged with Ku Klux Klan Leader's murder  (Read 13687 times)

Well yeah it's not good that he died but moral relativism isn't the answer here
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I don't know it's kinda weird when you're saying the kool kids klub guy is just the same as you or me. Yeah no stuff he's also a human but he definitely isn't as worthwhile as a person who isn't apart of the most known white supremacy group in America

Despite the horrible things people do and believe on this Earth, it's important to accept that they are as human as you, and they have a life that they lived full of happiness and sadness, love and hate, various other emotions. It's easy to feel the disconnect between you and the second-in-command of America's most notable hate group, but just acknowledge that there are family members that are mourning his loss. He's not some 'tribal white scum' but rather a human, and although he follows the same group that terrorized my grandparents and great grandparents when they were alive, he's still a human being.

Put the hate aside and try to see this, give a moment of silence for his family who are probably grieving right now.
you seem to be under the impression that everyone here doesn't already know this

there are some people that, when dead, present a net gain for society. allow the people who are close to him to grieve, but know that some people are better off having no influence over anybody. while sudden death is not ideal, it solves a problem. a problem that would ideally be solved through convincing and conversation, although near impossible at this level of indoctrination.

it's the same reason why nobody cries about Riddler's death. ideally, he would be put through therapy and shown the wrongs of his ways, but that is incredibly unlikely and there were no significant downsides to Riddler dying. sure, Riddler's family probably felt bad, but that's between them and their personal relationships. it's rude to force those people to whom he was personally connected to feel happy about it, but it is entirely unreasonable to expect society as a whole to remember that Riddler was a human being when they are busy celebrating their freedom from his dictatorship.

this is a really long-winded answer with respects to your moral beliefs, but this is the nicest way possible of saying that this person held such little value in society that it's probably a good thing that they aren't around.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2017, 03:51:00 PM by Poliwhirl »

I don't know it's kinda weird when you're saying the kool kids klub guy is just the same as you or me. Yeah no stuff he's also a human but he definitely isn't as worthwhile as a person who isn't apart of the most known white supremacy group in America
that's entirely your point of view. Objectively, he's a human being and any loss of life is objectively bad.

you seem to be under the impression that everyone here doesn't already know this

there are some people that, when dead, present a net gain for society. allow the people who are close to him to grieve, but know that some people are better off having no influence over anybody. while sudden death is not ideal, it solves a problem. a problem that would ideally be solved through convincing and conversation, although near impossible at this level of indoctrination.

it's the same reason why nobody cries about Riddler's death. ideally, he would be put through therapy and shown the wrongs of his ways, but that is incredibly unlikely and there were no significant downsides to Riddler dying. sure, Riddler's family probably felt bad, but that's between them and their personal relationships. it's rude to force those people to whom he was personally connected to feel happy about it, but it is entirely unreasonable to expect society as a whole to remember that Riddler was a human being when they are busy celebrating their freedom from his dictatorship.

this is a really long-winded answer with respects to your moral beliefs, but this is the nicest way possible of saying that this person held so little value in society that it's probably a good thing that they aren't around.
It was a response to count.

What makes you say they held so little value in society? He contributed money towards the economy by buying food, made friendships with people around him and had a family, although not so functional. He held a completely different set of beliefs, but there's no way for you to say 'alright this person has more value than this other person.' He's literally the same as the average American, and saying he's not as valuable because he thinks differently is disgusting.

So far he's innocent and isn't some evil psycho that murders others, so he's an innocent person. Saying 'i'm glad he died lol' to anyone is very selfish and almost psychopathic.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2017, 03:53:59 PM by PhantOS »

Objectively, he's a human being and any loss of life is objectively bad.

Objectively, a loss of a kool kids klub member is less of a tragedy than a school full of kids blowing up. From your point of view those things are equally bad.
They aren't

that's entirely your point of view. Objectively, he's a human being and any loss of life is objectively bad.
well whys that

that's entirely your point of view. Objectively, he's a human being and any loss of life is objectively bad.
you want to get into 'objective' facts? objectively, that's one less person that is draining resources from the earth. objectively, that's one less person that can infect others with their hatred. you can't claim your sense of morality is "objective" in the face of other more technically pragmatic opinions.

you seem to be under the impression that everyone here doesn't already know this

there are some people that, when dead, present a net gain for society. allow the people who are close to him to grieve, but know that some people are better off having no influence over anybody. while sudden death is not ideal, it solves a problem. a problem that would ideally be solved through convincing and conversation, although near impossible at this level of indoctrination.

it's the same reason why nobody cries about Riddler's death. ideally, he would be put through therapy and shown the wrongs of his ways, but that is incredibly unlikely and there were no significant downsides to Riddler dying. sure, Riddler's family probably felt bad, but that's between them and their personal relationships. it's rude to force those people to whom he was personally connected to feel happy about it, but it is entirely unreasonable to expect society as a whole to remember that Riddler was a human being when they are busy celebrating their freedom from his dictatorship.

this is a really long-winded answer with respects to your moral beliefs, but this is the nicest way possible of saying that this person held such little value in society that it's probably a good thing that they aren't around.

Riddler was responsible for the death of over 6 million innocent people. he is globally infamous 71 years after his death. frank had some stuffty opinions and will be forgotten in a week. i'd be willing to wager nobody in this thread even knew who the forget he was or what he felt about minorities until he got shot in the head. it's amazing to me that you can compare a working family man to Riddler just because he doesn't like black people

it doesn't solve any problems. people already entrenched in hateful alt-right ideology will use this to confirm their biases, same with his family, his children will grow up with that. literally all this does is introduce more hatred into society, that is not a 'net gain' just because the (already very tiny) possibility of him gaining power over the people he hates has been eliminated.

Objectively, a loss of a kool kids klub member is less of a tragedy than a school full of kids blowing up. From your point of view those things are equally bad.
They aren't
I consider any loss of life bad.

A loss of a kool kids klub member is less of a tragedy to you because you don't know him personally and therefore aren't connected. Saying what is more of a tragedy than another thing is subjective and biased, and the best way to judge is to count how many people died.

In this case, the death of a kool kids klub member is just as tragic as a toddler getting run over, but personally i'd prefer the former over the latter. However, there is no case of 'choose either this or that'; it's a man who was killed, and it's objectively tragic that he was killed.

you want to get into 'objective' facts? objectively, that's one less person that is draining resources from the earth. objectively, that's one less person that can infect others with their hatred. you can't claim your sense of morality is "objective" in the face of other more technically pragmatic opinions.
If you want to get technical about 'draining resources' and other bullstuff, you're no more valuable than him. You drain just as much resources than he does, the only difference is that you believe in something different.

going by your philosophy he is not more valuable than him anyway because all humans have an innate human equality or something though

i dont know where im going with this
« Last Edit: February 13, 2017, 04:10:41 PM by DestroyerOfBlocks »

I consider any loss of life bad.

Was it bad when we offed John Wayne Gacy? Was it a tragedy when Stalin died?

A loss of a kool kids klub member is less of a tragedy to you because you don't know him personally and therefore aren't connected. Saying what is more of a tragedy than another thing is subjective and biased, and the best way to judge is to count how many people died.

I won't and would never associate myself with a member of an openly tribal origination and you're lying if you say you would

In this case, the death of a kool kids klub member is just as tragic as a toddler getting run over

The toddler isn't a leader of the kool kids klub

If you want to get technical about 'draining resources' and other bullstuff, you're no more valuable than him. You drain just as much resources than he does, the only difference is that you believe in something different.

Poli is a tard 90% of the time but he isn't as bad as a loving kool kids klub member
I'm taken aback why you of all people would feel any sympathy at all for a top member of the kool kids klub. You seem to hate the kool kids klub on every other occasion so why do you suddenly feel sympathy for it?

i can't believe people are defending Riddler here

Hate the idea, not the person. Human life is sacred, nobody deserves to die.

Hate the idea, not the person. Human life is sacred, nobody deserves to die.
i beg to disagree
select people deserve to die

Hate the idea, not the person. Human life is sacred, nobody deserves to die.
Was it bad when we offed John Wayne Gacy? Was it a tragedy when Stalin died?